Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

When the George W. Bush administration invaded Iraq in March 2003, that war had 72% support among Americans, according to Gallup.

If Donald Trump now wants to start a U.S. war with Iran, the president would not remotely enjoy that level of support. He doesn’t even have half of it. Scratch that, not even a quarter of Americans want him to bomb Iran today.

A SSRS/University of Maryland poll asked participants earlier this month: “Do you favor or oppose the United States initiating an attack on Iran under the current circumstances?” Only 21% favored, 49% opposed, and 30% answered “I don’t know.”

 

[ShapurII]

When the George W. Bush administration invaded Iraq in March 2003, that war had 72% support among Americans, according to Gallup.

If Donald Trump now wants to start a U.S. war with Iran, the president would not remotely enjoy that level of support. He doesn’t even have half of it. Scratch that, not even a quarter of Americans want him to bomb Iran today.

A SSRS/University of Maryland poll asked participants earlier this month: “Do you favor or oppose the United States initiating an attack on Iran under the current circumstances?” Only 21% favored, 49% opposed, and 30% answered “I don’t know.”

Trump is not George Bush. His entire presidency has been nothing but division and discord among Americans with him mocking and calling people who disagree with him names on national TV or on X. He can't care less about what Americans think.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Trump is not George Bush. His entire presidency has been nothing but division and discord among Americans with him mocking and calling people who disagree with him names on national TV or on X.

And that's a good thing. We need more of this. US citizens are victims of the zionist chokehold.

 

[Shags101]

I’m no monarchist, but that’s not how it happened at all.

Kind of the guy took over Iran said call me the shah and I’m royalty

 

[ShapurII]

And that's a good thing. We need more of this. US citizens are victims of the zionist chokehold.

The millennials and Gen-Z understand that Israel is the problem, but there isn't much that they can do to change things. The US is no longer a functioning democracy. It is an oligarchy, slightly better than our situation in Iran at the moment. The only difference is that it doesn't have a theocratic label like ours.

 

[Immortals]

So, if the US decides to go for regime change and accepts all the risks and troubles that will come with it, do you think they will hand over the new system to people like Shamkhani's son or Hassan Rouhani when they can start over and create a new Iran under Zionist control? That's hilarious.

And yet U.S. spent 20 years in Afghanistan to turn the country over back to Taliban.

Spent 15+ years in Iraq and lost influence to Iran and watched Nouri Maliki (Iran’s candidate) take power. US has sucked at nation building for decades.

But you think that despite having troops on the ground in both conflicts and still not being able to have their preferred client in power that they will be able to do it via the air in iran? Now That’s what is hilarious.

Trump doesn’t even respect The Big Nose as he made it quite clear. Trump wants Iran to “fight it out” and pick whoever emerges from that cage match as who he will support.

The Bazaari’s families belong to factions and they have control of the Iranian economy. They aren’t going anywhere from some bombing runs and you cannot kill everyone in Iran or you won’t have any left to fill the vacuum.

How do you think Shamkhani, Larijani, and Khomeini have power? The power starts from the branch and goes all the way down to the root level. You can remove Shamkhani and that faction will elect a new face person. That’s how it works.

These are the real decision makers of a country. Not the “people”. If the elites do not throw their backing behind a candidate he doesn’t rise up. That’s also what happened in Iraq PM cycles time and time again when U.S. and Iran put up their own candidates and in Lebanon as well.

 

[kastor ville]

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This is great....thanks.....I learned a lot.
I never understood why the BMs were flaring in the sky above Israel...I thought they were intercepted and thus blown up, now I know it's because they breakup before impact, and it could also be a flare to confuse heat seeking missile defence.

 

[Falcon29]

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Iraq was a genocide and full blown regime change war, with large scale ground invasion and occupation. The US public is heavily against any Iraq war repeat, which was pure evil, chaotic, and cost trillions of dollars for Americans. It was also some retarded fit of rage following 9/11 that Iraq had nothing to do with.

The war strategies of today have evolved heavily to be more cost effective and efficient. They don't seem to include any shock and awe effect anymore. They're more rapid, short term but intense. You saw the two months of US strikes on Yemen didn't inflict more than 250 casualties.

It's only the terrorist piece of shit Israel thats military doctrine is purely genocide centric and seeks to dominate neighbors through threats of total a annihilation.

The US doesn't seek to occupy nations and withdraw/leave. Israel on other hand doesn't want to leave and would love to bend international law to exterminate people of region to take over because they're pure evil.

My opinion of Israel is that it's a terrorist nation with a terrorist population that have to be annihilated before they annihilate us.

The US on other hand is not going to seek to annihilate Iranian people and the military assets in region are not even suitable for shock and awe style operation. It can be high intensity and suistained, similar to Israeli strikes on Lebanon (but even less imo) and more targeted at industrial/military sites as opposed to civilian apartment blocks like terrorist Israel does.

The US should ditch Israel and ally with middle Easterners. They have a lot more to offer than that scum state.

 

[Immortals]

. It was his government that stepped and brought Iran's AD back up after the initial sneak attack.

 

[kastor ville]

The millennials and Gen-Z understand that Israel is the problem, but there isn't much that they can do to change things. The US is no longer a functioning democracy. It is an oligarchy, slightly better than our situation in Iran at the moment. The only difference is that it doesn't have a theocratic label like ours.

True. But. There are signs of AIPACs power is waning? They're using obscure LLCs to fund candidates because they won't take AIPAC money....or their opponent would use that against them. The voice on FB, Insta, TKTK have never been louder....their public backing is in the toilet....not just in the US, the whole world hates them now. Sadly, due to all the martyrs in Gaza. So...in short, it's not hopeless.....the Epstein files wouldn't have seen the light of day if they were still running DC.

 

[ShapurII]

And yet U.S. spent 20 years in Afghanistan to turn the country over back to Taliban.

Spent 15+ years in Iraq and lost influence to Iran and watched Nouri Maliki (Iran’s candidate) take power. US has sucked at nation building for decades.

But you think that despite having troops on the ground in both conflicts and still not being able to have their preferred client in power that they will be able to do it via the air in iran? Now That’s what is hilarious.

Trump doesn’t even respect The Big Nose as he made it quite clear. Trump wants Iran to “fight it out” and pick whoever emerges from that cage match as who he will support.

The Bazaari’s families belong to factions and they have control of the Iranian economy. They aren’t going anywhere from some bombing runs and you cannot kill everyone in Iran or you won’t have any left to fill the vacuum.

How do you think Shamkhani, Larijani, and Khomeini have power? The power starts from the branch and goes all the way down to the root level. You can remove Shamkhani and that faction will elect a new face person. That’s how it works.

These are the real decision makers of a country. Not the “people”. If the elites do not throw their backing behind a candidate he doesn’t rise up. That’s also what happened in Iraq PM cycles time and time again when U.S. and Iran put up their own candidates and in Lebanon as well.

The US invasion of Afghanistan was by far one of the most pointless wars in history. Afghanistan is a land-locked country with tribal mentality and war lords. I highly doubt that the US intent of invading Afghanistan was to build a new nation there. They more likely needed it as a launchpad for their future invasion of Iran and to block China from an easy access to the resources of the Middle East and Central Asia.

The US continues to hold tremendous influence in Iraq. Iran's influence in Iraq has been shrinking year after year. Iran no longer enjoys the amount of influence it had in Iraq when Soleimani was alive.

As I said, there are only three choices: 1. Reformist/oligarchy coup, 2. Reza Pahlavi, 3. MEK

Bazaar in Iran will support whoever that is the best for their businesses. They do not care about Reza Pahlavi, Maryam Rajavi or Hassan Rohani as long as market is stable and they are making money. The rest of your post about the current circle of power is not very relevant if the US chooses to remove that circle of power.

Israel is much weaker than the United States and it took them only half an hour to eliminate most of the chain of command in the Islamic Republic. If the US wants to eliminate the current circle of power in Iran and replace it with new people like pre-1979 revolution, they can do it and most likely will do it if they are seriously considering regime change.
Assumptions like Pahlavi will not survive this or that are also irrelevant as his security will be guaranteed by the United States. Unless you think that the United States is unable to provide him with security, which is a different matter.

 

[925boy]

Contrary to what we thought, Iranian missiles were actually hitting targets accurately.

What "we thought" or what Persian Gulf thought? Pls get your facts right lol.

 

[ShapurII]

True. But. There are signs of AIPACs power is waning? They're using obscure LLCs to fund candidates because they won't take AIPAC money....or their opponent would use that against them. The voice on FB, Insta, TKTK have never been louder....their public backing is in the toilet....not just in the US, the whole world hates them now. Sadly, due to all the martyrs in Gaza. So...in short, it's not hopeless.....the Epstein files wouldn't have seen the light of day if they were still running DC.

I personally think that the window of opportunity for new organic revolutions is closing fast. I agree with Robert F. Kennedy when he said that Ann Frank wouldn't have survived Nazi Germany had she lived in today's world.

The amount of data that the oligarchs have gathered on average American citizens is scary. And then you have people like Peter Thiel who are openly using their money for surveillance on Americans and nobody can stop him, and other people like Elon Musk who want to install implants on people's brains.

It's just too scary when you think about it. God knows what sort of backdoors those brain implants will have, allowing them to access your thoughts and modify your personality.

 

[Falcon29]

Iraq was a genocide and full blown regime change war, with large scale ground invasion and occupation. The US public is heavily against any Iraq war repeat, which was pure evil, chaotic, and cost trillions of dollars for Americans. It was also some retarded fit of rage following 9/11 that Iraq had nothing to do with.

The war strategies of today have evolved heavily to be more cost effective and efficient. They don't seem to include any shock and awe effect anymore. They're more rapid, short term but intense. You saw the two months of US strikes on Yemen didn't inflict more than 250 casualties.

It's only the terrorist piece of shit Israel thats military doctrine is purely genocide centric and seeks to dominate neighbors through threats of total a annihilation.

The US doesn't seek to occupy nations and withdraw/leave. Israel on other hand doesn't want to leave and would love to bend international law to exterminate people of region to take over because they're pure evil.

My opinion of Israel is that it's a terrorist nation with a terrorist population that have to be annihilated before they annihilate us.

The US on other hand is not going to seek to annihilate Iranian people and the military assets in region are not even suitable for shock and awe style operation. It can be high intensity and suistained, similar to Israeli strikes on Lebanon (but even less imo) and more targeted at industrial/military sites as opposed to civilian apartment blocks like terrorist Israel does.

The US should ditch Israel and ally with middle Easterners. They have a lot more to offer than that scum state.

That being said if they do attack -- they're going to hit around 1,000 or more targets in the first day or days. Which seems like a lot, it is. Wouldn't be good for IRGC and Iranian military but in context of Iran's size, it is not that massive as a shock and awe operation. But would rapidly weaken Iran.

If Israel is involved in opening strikes it can be even more than that.

Then it would go down to around 300-500 targets a day for a few weeks then 100-200 a day.

US would not target families of IRGC members. I don't think so. They did with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, Libya, but if they are going for regime change they want to flip positions of those in power and would make sense to not target Iranian civilian population. Iran is too large to go after civilian families, imo.

They are however going to target many sites around the whole nation. Especially around coast area.

It's unlikely to be limited if Trump approves strikes.

Iran's success depends on how long it can hold out for and keep delivering retaliatory strikes even if smaller scale but ability to keep inflicting damage.

US military strategists are taking that into account and likely trying to deliver strong decipation packages to limit Iran's ability to lash out afterwards.....

I don't know how well fortified/protected Iran's weapons systems are. But the hesitation by the US makes me think they don't like the state of alert Iran is in and aren't quite finding conditions suitable for their decipation strike package ....

They definitely can see some Iranian leadership that's not what's causing the delay. It's probably the weapons systems that are well enough protected giving Iran relatively extensive retailatory capabilities

 

[Watandar]

I really don't need to explain anything to an Iranian. It was his government that gave you people the early warning of an incoming attack last June. It was his government that kept safe your commercial air fleet while Israel went to town across your lands. It was his government that stepped and brought Iran's AD back up after the initial sneak attack.

As for those low-IQ Pakistanis (Likely Shias) here leveling insults on Pakistan, I wish I could send all you to Iran when the bombing starts. You are fifth column who will sell out Pakistan just to kick the persian a*s.

If you have nothing useful to contribute to this thread , then stay quiet.