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[hyperman]

Just because Russians invested heavily in AD capabilities since WW2 out of their doctrinal neccessity doesn't make them better at making superior AD system.

Russian electronics are decades behind that of what west has. In fact they used to use lots of COTS electronics in their AD systems from Western civilian manufacturers. (Now being replaced by Chinese components.)

In Ukraine Russia Ukraine is the weaker party. The best striking system they have is ATACMs. On the other hand Russia has more capable deep strike capabilities. Both in terms of technology and volume. Kiznal, Iskander, P-800, etc and of course a big air force. Yet the destruction of S400s and S300s are greater in numbers than destruction of Patriots and SAMP/T or IRIS-T SLM in the battlefield just going by the visual evidences available.

France didn't supply Ukraine with SAMP/T NG yet. It was the older version. Neither did US supplied LTAMDS and IBCS. It was older variant of patriot batteries.

Russian despite having invested heavily in AD as their primary defense, couldn't develop hit to kill tactical interceptors like Western PAC-3 or Aster 30. They are yet to field an AESA MFR with S400. Just like Russians couldn't put APG-81 like radar on their fighter, they can't make GaN based next gen AESA like LTAMDS, GroundFire and EL/M2084 yet.

In fact, Aselsan developed SIPER with its GaN based AKREP-1000G and ALP-310 AESA systems has more advanced sensor architecture than that of S400.

I can bet Block 2 interceptor is also better than anything russians fields in the same range.

No AD is foolproof, yet second tier Western AD systems perform better than Russian ones in Ukraine given the volume and variety of sophisticated russian systems it faced compared to what Ukraine threw at Russian AD systems.

Far more has gotten through Ukrainian air defense than Russian Air Defense, despite Russian air defense being more spread out and covering larger areas and gaps. Ukraine has been able to saturate Kiev and it covers most of the country, this is not the case with Russia.

You cannot compare Soviet Era S-300s with S-400s and its performance.

 

[Afif]

Far more has gotten through Ukrainian air defense than Russian Air Defense, despite Russian air defense being more spread out and covering larger areas and gaps.

Because Ukraine has far less AD systems available in numbers than Russia has. And Ukraine's deep strike capabilities are much less than that of Russia both in terms of volume and technology.

S400 simply did not face similar Volume of various sophisticated missile types that Russia unleashed against western AD systems. Yet the number of destroyed S400s remains higher than number of destroyed patriots.

I am not comparing S400 with S300. It is just that latest russian S400 iteration doesn't match Western AD systems technologically. Both in terms of sensor and interceptor.

 

[hyperman]

Because Ukraine has far less AD systems available in numbers than Russia has. And Ukraine's deep strike capabilities are much less than that of Russia both in terms of volume and technology.

S400 simply did not face similar Volume of various sophisticated missile types that Russia unleashed against western AD systems. Yet the number of destroyed S400s remains higher than number of destroyed patriots.

I am not comparing S400 with S300. It is just that latest russian S400 iteration doesn't match Western AD systems technologically. Both in terms of sensor and interceptor.

Ukraine has far more coverage based of the surface area. You can have overlapping systems and there are less gaps. Which is an advantage for Ukraine. Its far more difficult to cover larger areas.

Its also just not true what you are saying in terms of things destroyed. Particularly because everytime Ukraine claims to have destroyed a S-400 system it gets taken as fact, and then the Russian claims are not usually reported on most western OSINT accounts.

 

[MMM-E]

Russia has poor integration with other systems to protect S400s


The S-400 excels more against Fighter Jets , AWACS , Bombers than low speed Drones and Cruise Missiles

Ukraine used long range Drones , NEPTUN and STORM SHADOW Cruise Missile to hit S400 Radars-Launchers ... even combines with ATACMS

Turkish KORKUT , SUNGUR , GURZ , HISAR Air Defense Sytems can protect S400s from Drones and Cruise Missiles


The question that should be asked here is about the S400's capabilities against ATACMS ..... because of firing from close range 100-200 km or poor early warning capabilities or swarm attack strategy

 

[hasssanali8998]

ar better than your FCAS which is a dream until 2050

he isnt french , just a indian troll

 

[MMM-E]

Russia lacks cost effective munitions and Kamikaze Drones to hit PATRIOT AD Systems which were located in Kiev , Lviv , Odessa , etc

Russia doesnt create an asymmetric cost advantage
ISKANDER and KINZHAL Missiles are so expensive and Ukraine using NATO Systems to intercept Iranian technology dumb and low speed Kamikaze Drones


on the other hand Turkiye has different cost effective munitions and guided kamikaze Drones to hit PATRIOTs from land-naval-air platforms

Skyros , Athens , Thessaloniki hosts PATRIOT AD Systems

150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missile
200 km CAKIR mini Cruise Missile with hybrid seeker IIR+RF
150+ km KUZGUN-TJ with IIR or RF seeker
150+ km GOKTAN guided munition
100+ km EREN with IIR seeker
150 km KEMANKES with E/O camera
700 km SUPER LIGHTNING with E/O camera
120 km TLG-230 guided Rocket
150-360 km J600T and BORA Ballistic Missiles
500+ km 300-ER supersonic Ballistic Missile with TV camera


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TAYFUN , CENK , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN Ballistic and Cruise Missiles are expensive for swarm attack

but IHA-230 and 300-ER supersonic Missiles can be used for swarm attack to hit PATRIOT AD Systems

SPAAGs and low-medium range-altitude AD Systems can not intercept this IHA-230 supersonic Missile

and Turkiye can fire 20 IHA-230 Missiles in price of 1 PATRIOT Missile


1 PATRIOT Battery = $1,1 billion

• All PAC-2 loaded : 6–8 launchers × 4 missiles = 24–32 missiles.
• All PAC-3 loaded : 6–8 launchers × 16 missiles = 96–128 missiles

Max 200 Missiles ( IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , KEMANKES ) $20 million will be enough for swarm attack to destroy 1 PATRIOT Battery = $1,1 billion

 

[Eşbah]

What is now clear is that Türkiye has secured a guaranteed minimum fleet of 44 aircraft — comprising 20 newly built units, 12 aircraft confirmed to originate from Qatar, and a further 12 aircraft whose source has not yet been definitively established. A final tranche of 12 aircraft remains under active discussion. If secured, this would expand the total fleet to 56 aircraft.

The remaining question is therefore not whether Türkiye will operate Eurofighters in significant numbers, but whether the fleet will stabilise at 44 aircraft or scale upward to 56 through additional Gulf participation. The resolution of the outstanding 12-aircraft tranche will ultimately determine the final structure of the programme.

Türkiye Has Secured 44 Eurofighters, Final 12 Still in Play | TURDEF

As Eurofighter negotiations with Qatar advance, Oman remains engaged, preserving the possibility of expanding Türkiye’s fleet to between 44 and 56 aircraft.

turdef.com

 

[Foinikas]

What is now clear is that Türkiye has secured a guaranteed minimum fleet of 44 aircraft — comprising 20 newly built units, 12 aircraft confirmed to originate from Qatar, and a further 12 aircraft whose source has not yet been definitively established. A final tranche of 12 aircraft remains under active discussion. If secured, this would expand the total fleet to 56 aircraft.

The remaining question is therefore not whether Türkiye will operate Eurofighters in significant numbers, but whether the fleet will stabilise at 44 aircraft or scale upward to 56 through additional Gulf participation. The resolution of the outstanding 12-aircraft tranche will ultimately determine the final structure of the programme.

Türkiye Has Secured 44 Eurofighters, Final 12 Still in Play | TURDEF

As Eurofighter negotiations with Qatar advance, Oman remains engaged, preserving the possibility of expanding Türkiye’s fleet to between 44 and 56 aircraft.

turdef.com

What could the future THK be like when it comes to fighter jets? KAAN and Eurofighter or keep investing on the F-16 instead of abandoning them gradually,since they come with all kinds of sanctions and dependence from USA?

 

[Merzifonlu]

What could the future THK be like when it comes to fighter jets? KAAN and Eurofighter or keep investing on the F-16 instead of abandoning them gradually,since they come with all kinds of sanctions and dependence from USA?

If Türkiye can acquire the Kaan fighter jet to its desired standards, it will gradually phase out both EF-2000s and F-16s from its inventory. However, this operation will take a considerable amount of time.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Given the world we live in right now, the new Israel-Greece alliance, could Türkiye look to increase the size of the air force ?

 

[hyperman]

If Türkiye can acquire the Kaan fighter jet to its desired standards, it will gradually phase out both EF-2000s and F-16s from its inventory. However, this operation will take a considerable amount of time.

Everyone keeps thinking of a 1 to 1 replacement. There won't be a 1 to 1 replacement(far too expensive and inefficient). A good chunk of the aircraft will be retired, and in its place UCAVs and CCAs of various types will replace them, and the amount of manned fighters will be lower than it was previously, but they will be higher quality platforms like the KAAN, which will work as command nodes for the UCAVs and CCAs. So lets say 10 F-16s retired, we may only see 4 KAANs come online and 6-8 UCAVs and CCAs.

 

[Foinikas]

Given the world we live in right now, the new Israel-Greece alliance, could Türkiye look to increase the size of the air force ?

I haven't heard any news about this so-called "alliance" for weeks. All Dendias does is go on State visits,talk a lot and smile to the cameras. For months now we've been reading that the air defence deal is almost ready. Where is it? It's late February 2026 and still no deal for air defence,for ELTA radars,for LORA,for EW systems. No deal for submarines,not even a contest yet. That MoD is taking his time,while Turkey is arming to the teeth. And on top of that,he goes around saying Turkey is a threat,Turkey is a problem. Well then do something about it and sign deals,sign purchases.

Back on topic,I just read Turkey won't be getting the Eurofighters in February.

 

[hyperman]

Back on topic,I just read Turkey won't be getting the Eurofighters in February.

link?

I heard February or March a while back.

 

[Foinikas]

link?

I heard February or March a while back.

Η Τουρκία δεν θα παραλάβει τα πρώτα Eurofighter τον Φεβρουάριο - Defence Review

Στη διάρκεια της εβδομαδιαίας ενημέρωσης δημοσιογράφων ο εκπρόσωπος τύπου του τουρκικού Υπουργείου Άμυνας, Αντιναύαρχος Zeki Aktürk, αναφέρθηκε στο πρόγραμμα απόκτησης των μαχητικών αεροσκαφών Eurofighter. Όπως δήλωσε, σ’ αυτή τη χρονική στιγμή, το πρόγραμμα έχει επικεντρωθεί στην εκπαίδευση...

defencereview.gr

It's in Greek though

 

[MMM-E]

Eurofighter Turkish Pilot TRAINING begins in the UK

Turkish MoD for Eurofighter fighters: Training First | TURDEF

MoD confirms personnel training and maintenance infrastructure will precede any Eurofighter delivery to Türkiye, while parallel regional talks continue.

turdef.com

within the scope of the Eurofighter Typhoon procurement project, a delegation will conduct a working visit to RAF Coningsby in the United Kingdom between 24–27 February. The visit aims to initiate planning for the first training phases of both aircrew and ground personnel.