Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

we have to allow room for opposing views

I have my own red lines: personal insults, extreme vulgar language, supporting terrorism, and promoting war with Iran and supporting killing Iranians

but other than that, we have to let people speak

The guy promotes terrorism and claims there are 20 million Iranian diaspora

This is not a simple opposing view

 

[ShapurII]

I think they have other weaknesses, such as lack of tolerance to free speech (you saw how they treated Amanpour after she interviewed Reza Pahlavi?) and extremely vulgar speech. but this is part of the borderline fascism that has consumed them

I also think a large part of them have a serious psychological issue with islam. they project a lot of hatred onto it and have become distanced from Iran with their somewhat delusional version of history. the Shah was a Muslim named Mohammad, after all. I am not Muslim, and I do not like a theocratic governance model, but these Shahi types have a serious problem with Islam that takes it way too far.

but yes, it is noticeable that certain minority ethnic groups in Iran protest against the Shah and support IRI

Yes, they are extremely vulgar and hot-headed to the point that it reminds me of Israelis. It is borderline fascism.

The majority of Pahlavi supporters hate Islam. That is true. The major reason for that is the weaponization of Islam by the Islamic Republic. As you said, the Shah himself was a Muslim. He even named all of his sons after Imam Reza. Even Reza Pahlavi is not against Islam. The thing is that the Islamic Republic tried to draw a line between Iranian nationalism and Islamic unity at the beginning of the revolution. They used to loathe and insult Iranian history. I'm sure you know where these anti-Islam sentiments come from.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The guy promotes terrorism and claims there are 20 million Iranian diaspora

This is not a simple opposing view

report the post and specify which part breaks the forum rules, and someone will look at it

inflating numbers of Iranian diaspora doesn't break the rules

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, they are extremely vulgar and hot-headed to the point that it reminds me of Israelis. It is borderline fascism.

The majority of Pahlavi supporters hate Islam. That is true. The major reason for that is the weaponization of Islam by the Islamic Republic. As you said, the Shah himself was a Muslim. He even named all of his sons after Imam Reza. Even Reza Pahlavi is not against Islam. The thing is that the Islamic Republic tried to draw a line between Iranian nationalism and Islamic unity at the beginning of the revolution. They used to loathe and insult Iranian history. I'm sure you know where these anti-Islam sentiments come from.

a lot of these younger shah supporters in the diaspora were not around in 1979, so their hatred of Islam comes from somewhere else. they have a very sanitised version of Iranian history

I consider myself a secular nationalist and despise what the IRI did to Reza Shah's tomb and what they tried to do to Nowruz. but the reality is that a very large number of Iranians are Muslim. how can extremist anti-Islam rhetoric from hot-headed fascists unite the country which has so many muslims?

 

[جوبا]

barbaric murderous mullah regime many of whom are not even Iranian

where are they from?

 

[Persian Gulf]

where are they from?

he will probably say Khamenei is Indian or all the clerics are Arabs from Iraq

just like whenever I meet a Tajik Afghan they tell me the Taliban are not Afghan, they are mostly imported from Pakistan, lol.

 

[ShapurII]

I had decided to stop coming to this forum because there are too many trolls legitimizing a barbaric murderous mullah regime many of whom are not even Iranian to begin with. On top of that we are being silenced here. The moderator occasionally edits or deletes posts that he doesnt like.


Back to the topic:


I would say that the majority of Iranians around 80% want the monarchy back. They want a normal life. They want to be friends with all nations on Earth.

Irans population inside and outside the country, totals around 100–110 million. Out of that number, perhaps 70–90 million support the return of the monarchy. How long can the IR keep this regime alive with just guns?

The IR is like a cancer that has taken our beautiful nation hostage. It will eventually be eradicated just as Iranians have overcome so many invaders in the past many of whom are no longer around. We will either overthrow the IR violently or absorb it out of existence as we have done to others before.

Until the IR is wiped off the face of the map, nothing will be normal in Iran. We will not allow anything to become normal.

As for the recent developments, whatever happens, our struggle against evil and injustice will continue and will be recorded in history.

Is this Darius the Great from old PDF?

Ideally, in a perfect world, Iranians should be able to form their own system of governance. But we know that we do not live in an ideal world and we will never be given that opportunity.

Honestly, I think democracies no longer exist in this world. The United States is no longer a democracy, and by extension, no European country that sucks up to the US can claim to be a democracy.

If you do not have the capability to make your own national decisions because you are afraid of the US, how can you claim to be a democracy?

As for Iran, the best we can hope for is a regime that doesn't kill teenagers over headscarf protests. Iran will never get true democracy, or a competent regime in the near future. That's sad, but it's true. But people can at least get some freedoms and stop worrying about daily devaluation of our currency when they wake up in the morning.

 

[جوبا]

he will probably say Khamenei is Indian or all the clerics are Arabs from Iraq

just like whenever I meet a Tajik Afghan they tell me the Taliban are not Afghan, they are mostly imported from Pakistan, lol.

lol thats such a lame cope out strategy

 

[ShapurII]

a lot of these younger shah supporters in the diaspora were not around in 1979, so their hatred of Islam comes from somewhere else. they have a very sanitised version of Iranian history

I consider myself a secular nationalist and despise what the IRI did to Reza Shah's tomb and what they tried to do to Nowruz. but the reality is that a very large number of Iranians are Muslim. how can extremist anti-Islam rhetoric from hot-headed fascists unite the country which has so many muslims?

They have learned it from their parents. The millennials and Gen-Z of Iran are the result of parenting by young boys and girls that the IR ruined their lives by shoving Islam down their throats with force. The IR radical approach to Islamic unity and the Palestinian cause has backfired very intensively.

Honestly, I think the role of religion in people's lives is diminishing very fast and Iran is not an exception to this. It is a global phenomenon. It's happening even in Arab countries like Iraq and Lebanon. Even in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan, to a smaller extent. Iranians are one of the least religious people in the region.

 

[ShapurII]

Social media is not Iran

Iran is made up of thousands of small villages and towns

Do you think some of the degenerates on western controlled social media are a representation of the average Iranian???

It's comedy

Iran's biggest problem is it's people are divided and I live in the west, the Iranians here are a degenerate mess, values less, culture less people, I've said this before the your diaspora women and men are whores diluting their own blood and culture and you will know what I mean if you see them

For some reason you seem to think a U.S attack will lead to a change where the liberal diaspora will suddenly come flying in and all Iranians will just accept the new king and his whorish possy, rather then a vengefull civil war where Iranians will tear apart those who they deem traitors, backed up by other shia Muslim groups




The reason for this war is to harm Iran's ballistic missile capabilities, THATS IT

They will hit Iran as much as they can, it may go on for days or a few weeks

Both sides will attack each other, but the U.S Israeli plan is simply to damage Iranian nuclear and missile sites and production lines

Iran won't lose the know-how, but if it can't scale up it's production per month then Iran is curtailed


Iran's aim will be to safeguard it's knowledge and production facilities and to create deterrence by going all out against the U.S and Israel


I have a feeling, both sides will be claiming victory by the end,

Yeah, yeah. I will definitely listen to the lectures of some Pakistani dude on the internet about my own people lol

It's hilarious that you think you understand Iranians and our society better than us.

 

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Arabs being cucks as always......

This time Iran should target not only the US base in Jordan, but should bomb Jordanian Royal Palace's residence too to try getting the Jordanian King.

If he hosts US Bases that flies planes to go attack Iran, then he is party to the war against Iran so IRGC must take out the King of Jordan so a more friendly Pro-Iran or at least Neutral Leader not wanting Jordan to be a part of the US-Israeli war on Iran can ask the US to leave or lead a Resistance Force against the US Occupier if they refuse to leave...

All this starts with the Jordanian King's removal.

 

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Arabs being cucks as always......

This time Iran should target not only the US base in Jordan, but should bomb Jordanian Royal Palace's residence too to try getting the Jordanian King.

If he hosts US Bases that flies planes to go attack Iran, then he is party to the war against Iran so IRGC must take out the King of Jordan so a more friendly Pro-Iran or at least Neutral Leader not wanting Jordan to be a part of the US-Israeli war on Iran can ask the US to leave or lead a Resistance Force against the US Occupier if they refuse to leave...

All this starts with the Jordanian King's removal.

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Arabs when it comes to USA and Israel

 

[ShapurII]

Arabs being cucks as always......

Most of their older generations dislike Iran and Iranians. Why do you expect them not to act against Iran?

Arabs are not the friends of Iranians. There's centuries of mistrust between us. To spend your money on your enemies and expect them to come to your aid at the time of war is stupid and only Ayatollahs could've invested in such fantasies based on ideology.

 

[Meengla]

Yes, the Shah did many great things for Iran. I don’t like it when people pretend he didn’t. IRI has also done great things for Iran, we must also acknowledge this.
Do I believe Iran would have been more influential had the shah stayed in power? Yes. Do I believe Iran would have a better economy? Also yes. But inequality in wealth was huge. I agree it was due to a record boom in economy but it happened under his watch and people got impatient.

The dances of and for revolutions, the 'birthpangs of a new Middle East', the arrivals of 'democracy' have rarely yielded anything better than what was before them in the last century plus. There is a graveyard of broken hopes, promises, and dreams scattered all over the planet.
And I am nearly certain that awaits Iran, too, should the existing regime falls. Then those who cheered for when the Shah was deposed, would mourn for when the Mullahs would be deposed.