Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
The Shah was obviously far from perfect. I have never claimed that the Shah was ideal. He clearly had many problems, but he also did some good things. Iran suffered from illiteracy at the time, and he was partially to blame for that. Only 36% of Iranians were literate in 1975 (48% male, 24% female). But then again, the Shah started to send Iranians abroad to study at top US universities. He turned the Imperial Air Force of Iran into a formidable air force that saved Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. He hugely invested in our energy sector as the driving force of our economy. It's never black and white, for sure.

But let's not forget something. The Shah faced two important challenges: 1. The Soviet Union, a formidable beast in our neighborhood who eyed our land for decades already, 2. Cheap oil prices. For most of his rule, oil prices were below $4 per barrel. When oil hit $20 per barrel, Iran experienced an economic boom that lifted us up to the point that we were the world's 12th largest economy before the war with Iraq. Also, the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991 and one of our biggest security threats was resolved on its own.

Nobody wants to burn Iran into the ground. They need change and when change cannot happen internally, they hope that external factors can trigger it.
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Yes, the Shah did many great things for Iran. I don’t like it when people pretend he didn’t. IRI has also done great things for Iran, we must also acknowledge this.

Do I believe Iran would have been more influential had the shah stayed in power? Yes. Do I believe Iran would have a better economy? Also yes. But inequality in wealth was huge. I agree it was due to a record boom in economy but it happened under his watch and people got impatient. And I’ll even buy the argument that he couldn’t accept any political opposition due to Soviet and British interference in Iran. But IRI is using the same excuses. Khomeini came and promised everyone instant rainbows and sunshine. Now Reza, Israel and USA are promising rainbows and sunshines. Learn from past mistakes.
 
ShapurII said:
The Shah was obviously far from perfect. I have never claimed that the Shah was ideal. He clearly had many problems, but he also did some good things. Iran suffered from illiteracy at the time, and he was partially to blame for that. Only 36% of Iranians were literate in 1975 (48% male, 24% female). But then again, the Shah started to send Iranians abroad to study at top US universities. He turned the Imperial Air Force of Iran into a formidable air force that saved Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. He hugely invested in our energy sector as the driving force of our economy. It's never black and white, for sure.

But let's not forget something. The Shah faced two important challenges: 1. The Soviet Union, a formidable beast in our neighborhood who eyed our land for decades already, 2. Cheap oil prices. For most of his rule, oil prices were below $4 per barrel. When oil hit $20 per barrel, Iran experienced an economic boom that lifted us up to the point that we were the world's 12th largest economy before the war with Iraq. Also, the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991 and one of our biggest security threats was resolved on its own.

Nobody wants to burn Iran into the ground. They need change and when change cannot happen internally, they hope that external factors can trigger it.


I didn't fully understand your comment. Would you kindly explain it? I think I missed your point.
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I had decided to stop coming to this forum because there are too many trolls legitimizing a barbaric murderous mullah regime many of whom are not even Iranian to begin with. On top of that we are being silenced here. The moderator occasionally edits or deletes posts that he doesnt like.


Back to the topic:


I would say that the majority of Iranians around 80% want the monarchy back. They want a normal life. They want to be friends with all nations on Earth.

Irans population inside and outside the country, totals around 100–110 million. Out of that number, perhaps 70–90 million support the return of the monarchy. How long can the IR keep this regime alive with just guns?

The IR is like a cancer that has taken our beautiful nation hostage. It will eventually be eradicated just as Iranians have overcome so many invaders in the past many of whom are no longer around. We will either overthrow the IR violently or absorb it out of existence as we have done to others before.

Until the IR is wiped off the face of the map, nothing will be normal in Iran. We will not allow anything to become normal.

As for the recent developments, whatever happens, our struggle against evil and injustice will continue and will be recorded in history.
 
tsunset said:
swear to you I've seen in person Kurdish separatist flags in Pahlavi rallies and no one was fighting them

They will happily help to cut Iran in 16 parts and give everyone their share of the cake, including the islands to UAE

They are nationalistic only against Arabs and muslims, but when Jews and whites attacks and threaten us, no one is seen defending Iran anymore
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Exactly. I once saw a conversation between a monarchist and someone who wrote Arabian Gulf instead of Persian Gulf. The monarchist got furious and nationalistic, said its the Persian Gulf and this and that. Then an American came and wrote «it’s the American Gulf now» The monarchist accepted
 
Ali_Baba said:
Iran has a very large exposed hole in the SAM network bordering Pakistan. They are tactically exposed in that area and there is a clear route to the heart of Iran via that route.

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What will Pakistan do on this front? Will it actively secure its airspace, or "look the other way" when USN aircraft overfly Pakistan airspace to attack Iran ?
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tbh they dont need to , they can just as easily knock this AD out and have the same route
 
ShapurII said:
Pahlavi supporters are the only group of diaspora that are so ultra-nationalistic that it borders fascism.

Their only weakness is sucking up to the US and Israel. And that's a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend". They think Israel and the US are the only countries that will help them get rid of the regime. Whether it's wrong or not is up for debate but if you speak Persian, you will see that Pahlavi supporters are so against separatists that nearly every separatist group wants them dead.
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I think they have other weaknesses, such as lack of tolerance to free speech (you saw how they treated Amanpour after she interviewed Reza Pahlavi?) and extremely vulgar speech. but this is part of the borderline fascism that has consumed them

I also think a large part of them have a serious psychological issue with islam. they project a lot of hatred onto it and have become distanced from Iran with their somewhat delusional version of history. the Shah was a Muslim named Mohammad, after all. I am not Muslim, and I do not like a theocratic governance model, but these Shahi types have a serious problem with Islam that takes it way too far.

but yes, it is noticeable that certain minority ethnic groups in Iran protest against the Shah and support IRI
 
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this is obviously nonsense. why would flight radar know the position of all Iranian air defence assets? most of these are mobile assets the regularly move.
 
mangekyo said:
Yes, the Shah did many great things for Iran. I don’t like it when people pretend he didn’t. IRI has also done great things for Iran, we must also acknowledge this.

Do I believe Iran would have been more influential had the shah stayed in power? Yes. Do I believe Iran would have a better economy? Also yes. But inequality in wealth was huge. I agree it was due to a record boom in economy but it happened under his watch and people got impatient. And I’ll even buy the argument that he couldn’t accept any political opposition due to Soviet and British interference in Iran. But IRI is using the same excuses. Khomeini came and promised everyone instant rainbows and sunshine. Now Reza, Israel and USA are promising rainbows and sunshines. Learn from past mistakes.
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Yes, the IR has also done great things for Iran as well. For example, Iran was doing quite well in higher education from 2006 to 2015. Even now, we aren't doing terrible. Our missile forces are one of the best in the world and that's impressive.

Iran's GINI coefficient in recent years has increased to the point that we're doing even worse than the last years of the Shah. We are back to where we were in late 70s. Poverty is widespread in rural areas and even in cities now.

I have been saying this for years already. We deserve somebody better than Reza Pahlavi. And we might have been able to find one before the recent events in Iran. Look at the Islamic Republic. Anybody that even slightly disagreed with the system has been sidelined. Even people like Ahmadinejad, Khatami and Khomeini's family. Nobody is left to make fundamental change. So, at this point, we don't have many choices left. It is either Hassan Rohani and Zarif, or some oligarch like Shamkhani, or Reza Pahlavi, or Maryam Rajavi.

Personally, I can't care less who comes next as long as the situation improves and the threats that Iran faces today are handled but it has to happen or the situation will get 10x worse than now in the near future.
 
tsunset said:
@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests
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And you claimed I was targeting you with ad-hominem attacks?
Seriously, look at what I said and look at this. Which one is an ad-hominem attack?
 
tsunset said:
@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests
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we have to allow room for opposing views

I have my own red lines: personal insults, extreme vulgar language, supporting terrorism, and promoting war with Iran and supporting killing Iranians

but other than that, we have to let people speak
 
tsunset said:
@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests
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It's all part of a propaganda push across TV/radio/think tanks/politicians and especially internet. I am surprised they would care about a tiny outpost like PDF but oh well. The Pahlavist protests organized in Western cities are part of this same push to provide a fig leaf of justification for Trump's Iran attack.

We saw same script before Iraq war in 2003. Back then Bush still needed to get something from the UN and Congress but because of increasing oligarchy and decreasing democracy, Mr Trump is not bothered by Congress or the UN.
 
Sarhang said:
I had decided to stop coming to this forum because there are too many trolls legitimizing a barbaric murderous mullah regime many of whom are not even Iranian to begin with. On top of that we are being silenced here. The moderator occasionally edits or deletes posts that he doesnt like.
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I had a look through your post history and none of your last 20 posts were edited or deleted

I couldn't be bothered to look further, but if you had some posts deleted before that they were likely off topic or promoting violence/terrorism
 
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