Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Reichsmarschall]

is it propganda or something real? how could their position leaked and exposed to public so easily?

Not hard to put 2 and 2 together...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Pahlavi supporters are the only group of diaspora that are so ultra-nationalistic that it borders fascism.

Their only weakness is sucking up to the US and Israel. And that's a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend". They think Israel and the US are the only countries that will help them get rid of the regime. Whether it's wrong or not is up for debate but if you speak Persian, you will see that Pahlavi supporters are so against separatists that nearly every separatist group wants them dead.

I think they have other weaknesses, such as lack of tolerance to free speech (you saw how they treated Amanpour after she interviewed Reza Pahlavi?) and extremely vulgar speech. but this is part of the borderline fascism that has consumed them

I also think a large part of them have a serious psychological issue with islam. they project a lot of hatred onto it and have become distanced from Iran with their somewhat delusional version of history. the Shah was a Muslim named Mohammad, after all. I am not Muslim, and I do not like a theocratic governance model, but these Shahi types have a serious problem with Islam that takes it way too far.

but yes, it is noticeable that certain minority ethnic groups in Iran protest against the Shah and support IRI

 

[Persian Gulf]

this is obviously nonsense. why would flight radar know the position of all Iranian air defence assets? most of these are mobile assets the regularly move.

 

[tsunset]

@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests

 

[ShapurII]

Yes, the Shah did many great things for Iran. I don’t like it when people pretend he didn’t. IRI has also done great things for Iran, we must also acknowledge this.

Do I believe Iran would have been more influential had the shah stayed in power? Yes. Do I believe Iran would have a better economy? Also yes. But inequality in wealth was huge. I agree it was due to a record boom in economy but it happened under his watch and people got impatient. And I’ll even buy the argument that he couldn’t accept any political opposition due to Soviet and British interference in Iran. But IRI is using the same excuses. Khomeini came and promised everyone instant rainbows and sunshine. Now Reza, Israel and USA are promising rainbows and sunshines. Learn from past mistakes.

Yes, the IR has also done great things for Iran as well. For example, Iran was doing quite well in higher education from 2006 to 2015. Even now, we aren't doing terrible. Our missile forces are one of the best in the world and that's impressive.

Iran's GINI coefficient in recent years has increased to the point that we're doing even worse than the last years of the Shah. We are back to where we were in late 70s. Poverty is widespread in rural areas and even in cities now.

I have been saying this for years already. We deserve somebody better than Reza Pahlavi. And we might have been able to find one before the recent events in Iran. Look at the Islamic Republic. Anybody that even slightly disagreed with the system has been sidelined. Even people like Ahmadinejad, Khatami and Khomeini's family. Nobody is left to make fundamental change. So, at this point, we don't have many choices left. It is either Hassan Rohani and Zarif, or some oligarch like Shamkhani, or Reza Pahlavi, or Maryam Rajavi.

Personally, I can't care less who comes next as long as the situation improves and the threats that Iran faces today are handled but it has to happen or the situation will get 10x worse than now in the near future.

 

[ShapurII]

@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests

And you claimed I was targeting you with ad-hominem attacks?
Seriously, look at what I said and look at this. Which one is an ad-hominem attack?

 

[maxpane]

Not hard to put 2 and 2 together...

i was thinking finding sam and hitting it is the difficult job

 

[tsunset]

Complete, total degenerates

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests

we have to allow room for opposing views

I have my own red lines: personal insults, extreme vulgar language, supporting terrorism, and promoting war with Iran and supporting killing Iranians

but other than that, we have to let people speak

 

[Watandar]

@Persian Gulf The thread is being invaded by Pahlavi degenerates that agrees with Jews and whites bombing Iranian people for the sake of AngloJew personal interests

It's all part of a propaganda push across TV/radio/think tanks/politicians and especially internet. I am surprised they would care about a tiny outpost like PDF but oh well. The Pahlavist protests organized in Western cities are part of this same push to provide a fig leaf of justification for Trump's Iran attack.

We saw same script before Iraq war in 2003. Back then Bush still needed to get something from the UN and Congress but because of increasing oligarchy and decreasing democracy, Mr Trump is not bothered by Congress or the UN.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I had decided to stop coming to this forum because there are too many trolls legitimizing a barbaric murderous mullah regime many of whom are not even Iranian to begin with. On top of that we are being silenced here. The moderator occasionally edits or deletes posts that he doesnt like.

I had a look through your post history and none of your last 20 posts were edited or deleted

I couldn't be bothered to look further, but if you had some posts deleted before that they were likely off topic or promoting violence/terrorism

 

[tsunset]

we have to allow room for opposing views

I have my own red lines: personal insults, extreme vulgar language, supporting terrorism, and promoting war with Iran and supporting killing Iranians

but other than that, we have to let people speak

The guy promotes terrorism and claims there are 20 million Iranian diaspora

This is not a simple opposing view

 

[ShapurII]

I think they have other weaknesses, such as lack of tolerance to free speech (you saw how they treated Amanpour after she interviewed Reza Pahlavi?) and extremely vulgar speech. but this is part of the borderline fascism that has consumed them

I also think a large part of them have a serious psychological issue with islam. they project a lot of hatred onto it and have become distanced from Iran with their somewhat delusional version of history. the Shah was a Muslim named Mohammad, after all. I am not Muslim, and I do not like a theocratic governance model, but these Shahi types have a serious problem with Islam that takes it way too far.

but yes, it is noticeable that certain minority ethnic groups in Iran protest against the Shah and support IRI

Yes, they are extremely vulgar and hot-headed to the point that it reminds me of Israelis. It is borderline fascism.

The majority of Pahlavi supporters hate Islam. That is true. The major reason for that is the weaponization of Islam by the Islamic Republic. As you said, the Shah himself was a Muslim. He even named all of his sons after Imam Reza. Even Reza Pahlavi is not against Islam. The thing is that the Islamic Republic tried to draw a line between Iranian nationalism and Islamic unity at the beginning of the revolution. They used to loathe and insult Iranian history. I'm sure you know where these anti-Islam sentiments come from.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The guy promotes terrorism and claims there are 20 million Iranian diaspora

This is not a simple opposing view

report the post and specify which part breaks the forum rules, and someone will look at it

inflating numbers of Iranian diaspora doesn't break the rules

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, they are extremely vulgar and hot-headed to the point that it reminds me of Israelis. It is borderline fascism.

The majority of Pahlavi supporters hate Islam. That is true. The major reason for that is the weaponization of Islam by the Islamic Republic. As you said, the Shah himself was a Muslim. He even named all of his sons after Imam Reza. Even Reza Pahlavi is not against Islam. The thing is that the Islamic Republic tried to draw a line between Iranian nationalism and Islamic unity at the beginning of the revolution. They used to loathe and insult Iranian history. I'm sure you know where these anti-Islam sentiments come from.

a lot of these younger shah supporters in the diaspora were not around in 1979, so their hatred of Islam comes from somewhere else. they have a very sanitised version of Iranian history

I consider myself a secular nationalist and despise what the IRI did to Reza Shah's tomb and what they tried to do to Nowruz. but the reality is that a very large number of Iranians are Muslim. how can extremist anti-Islam rhetoric from hot-headed fascists unite the country which has so many muslims?