Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bharatah]

If Iran didn't have the capacity to confront the US and Israel, iran would have been destroyed a long time ago, probably YEARS AGO, and Israel would be doing to Iran today what it does to the Gaza Strip. Iran today is fully capable of defending itself from an attack (as it has done in recent years, when it was attacked by this same equipment). Furthermore, Iran has equipment capable of destroying several US bases, its allies, and Israel. Iran also possesses a vast network of allies spanning over 10 countries, which is why the US has never invaded Iran in recent years and there will be no war. What could happen is a media attack and a "victory narrative" for the US/Israel with this attack or some agreement.

For example, they might say "Iran accepted an agreement that he will no longer make atomic bombs..." but Iran has never made atomic bombs! Do you understand? It's a victory narrative where the enemy will give up something he never did !. EX2: "We are here closing a deal between Ukraine and Russia because Russia agreed not to annex Paris, Berlin, and Brussels... Russia felt our power and backed down, so we closed this deal!"

NOTE: These are advanced mass manipulation tactics that ordinary people are unaware of.

 

[StrategicBear]

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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Our worldview is different from yours. Money and wealth are not important to us.

Honor, courage, and following God's commands are important. Even if we are destroyed, we will be proud like Imam Hussein.

how can a person with 'honor, courage and under God's command' be blind and pathetic?!

I'd rather not choose blindness bec. my character will be spurious!

rest up to you

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't have the energy to debate this. But, here's a big one.......China didn't go full capitalistic, China did not open its economy......to this day, you can only have a minority stake in a Chinese co. It's still a very much a centrally controlled economy. Read up about Jack Ma and Ant IPO..for a good example.

True, China's fake capitulation was a window opportunity during that era, and it doesn't mean that Iran has to 100% replicate this one which is not even available anymore.

Right now, Iran needs to prepare to survive against the incoming onslaught.

Since China's deception in the 1980s, now the US will hysterically ask you for the real capitulation.

Since Maduro's vice president has double-crossed China by conspiring with the US, and China will not let Iran go this time, but the biggest problem remains with Iran's liberal faction inside the government.

 

[Bharatah]

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Classical fake news of HIBRID WAR and a person have to be very naive to believe this because NO ONE IS GOING TO REVEAL MILITARY SECRETS LIVE ON TV! Saying exactly what they're going to do, when they're going to do it, and how they're going to do it! That doesn't exist. This is fake news about hybrid warfare to fabricate a supposed isolation of Iran.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Posts like your's and of others asking for Iran to do a pre-emptive strike don't take into account who is sitting in the White House and who is influencing the sitter of the White House.

Not pre-emptive strike, but Iran's main objective to win this battle with minimal carnage.

Iran will not attack unless the US attacks first.

Sinking the two supercarriers might be too risky for the following two reasons:

1 - It might deplete most of your missile inventory.

2 - It might resort with a US nuclear retaliation.


So the best strategic goal for Iran is to repel the US army by incapacitating their supercarriers with damaged catapults.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I'm surprised that you are buying that. You really think that given current circumstances, the US would settle for guarantees about the peaceful nature of our nuclear program to let us survive? Seriously?
You were smart enough to correctly theorize that Israel was about to attack Iran when we were negotiating with the US. But somehow you think this time it's different. That's surprising.

my base case scenario is "I don't think the US has moved this much equipment into the region just for leverage" and a war is inevitable and soon

 

[ShapurII]

my base case scenario is "I don't think the US has moved this much equipment into the region just for leverage" and a war is inevitable and soon

Then we are on the same page.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This analysis that Iran’s pre-war air defense was somehow adequate is a farce.

It was held up by S-300 and 20+ year old TOR M1 and whatever left over from the old era like Hawk, S-200, BUK, rapier.

They simply weren’t producing Khordad variants, Tabas, Talash, in large enough amounts for point defense.

How many Zubin were built?

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How many 9 day systems were built?

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How many 15 Khordad systems were built?

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How many Meharn “F-35 killer” systems were built?

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How many Bavar?

How many Arman?

Etc.

You get the picture. When I asked where the satellite photos of all these amazing systems were, people on here laughed at me.

The problem with Iran and North Korea is they show you this diverse catalog of weapons. And when you look behind the curtain you realize they didn’t actually mass produce any of them.

We saw this with Iranian Humvees and MRAPs. And this idiotic leadership is now importing Russian Humvees after parading Aras for years.

Like I said, this war exposed IRGC and Iranian leadership to major corruption.

I’m sure there was a large segment that thought Israel or America would never attack Iran or dare to kill the Supreme Leader so they said why spend $30B on toys when when we can pocket half of it for ourselves? Now that segment is probably dead and if we are lucky we are seeing Iran rapidly scrambling to actually arm itself because it has just found itself in an existential crisis of its own doing!

not adequate, but his point is that Israel had to first focus on taking out key radars whereas much of that work has already been done now

 

[StrategicBear]

Iran should be ready to preemptively strike in the next 24 hours. WAR IS ON because Trump seems to already have made his mind. I'll pray for IRGC's victory in battle and for many US soldiers to be eliminated from IRGC counter-attacks.

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[Immortals]

It's really surprising that people think our AD stands a chance against the US.

This is what I wrote in 2024:

But yes I agree Bavar is not being “mass produced” yet. And that was my whole point with lack of images of Bavar. It has been in R&D for a long time (15 years). Which makes sense given the complexity of such a system for a first time builder. I expect full deployment closer to 2030.

It’s still 2026 and I’m waiting to see pictures of Bavar.

I see pictures of THAAD, S-300, Arrow-3, Patriot, and yet I don’t see any major Bavar batteries. But this crowd wants me to believe because Iran keeps them super safe and secret:

If we had at least enough S-300s, S-400s and Bavar-373s, we might've stood a chance. But 4 battalions of S-300 PMU2 and one operational Bavar-373, and a couple of S-200s and modified Hawks are not going to make a difference.

When Israel hit our S-300 radar in 2024, this was the copium being posted on here:

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If Iran’s fanboys thought just like our commanders did, then no wonder we find ourselves this poorly underarmed. Because just like Russia’s tens of billions for military went to corruption, Iran’s billions likely went to corruption as well for every $1 invested into a product, $10 was pocketed by these thieves.

Let’s not forget, in Mao’s time you had a time when municipalities bureaus tied to the party lied and reported record grain storages in their silos. Then when bad droughts came, Mao thought they would be fine and when the time came to disperse from storages they found out that they were only 1/3 the levels reported to the government. Many regional leaders had lie out of fear of missing quotas or for other reasons. Tens of millions died in the resulting famine.

This is a problem when you get into authoritarian systems. People lie and cheat and steal to come out ahead or to get promoted or to avoid punishment.

 

[StrategicBear]

True, China's fake capitulation was a window opportunity during that era, and it doesn't mean that Iran has to 100% replicate this one which is not even available anymore.

Right now, Iran needs to prepare to survive against the incoming onslaught.

Since China's deception in the 1980s, now the US will hysterically ask you for the real capitulation.

Since Maduro's vice president has double-crossed China by conspiring with the US, and China will not let Iran go this time, but the biggest problem remains with Iran's liberal faction inside the government.

Unfortunately Iran doesn't have the "purging corrupt officials" option as easily as China.......

 

[925boy]

Posts like your's and of others asking for Iran to do a pre-emptive strike don't take into account who is sitting in the White House and who is influencing the sitter of the White House.

Noo we do!! And thats why the preemptive strike by Iran is its best option for the war the crazy WH presido wants to inflict on Iran!! Iran knows its not dealing with a Whorebama or Clixton or busch

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Unfortunately Iran doesn't have the "purging corrupt officials" option as easily as China.......

They have been fooled by the US democrazy.

The US capability to cultivate the traitors in a country is far more powerful than their military might.

 

[Immortals]

not adequate, but his point is that Israel had to first focus on taking out key radars whereas much of that work has already been done now

The radars is another baffling story.

Why didn’t the OTH radars pick up anything? Why did some regional areas rely on a single radar point? Why weren’t there multiple radars in place as back ups?

How did a fighter jet manage to drop a bunker buster on the bunker of Hajizadeh/Bagheri?

How did Israel do a massive bombardment of the bunker that housed the SNSC?

Why was the primary defense of Tehran, WW2 era AA guns? Where was Skyguard?

Lots of questions and no answers.