Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

Anybody who thinks we can reach a balanced, non-maximalist deal with the US at this stage is fooling himself to believe Trump's fake negotiations are real. There is no negotiation. Trump has certain demands that either will be met fully or we will have a new round of war.

Careful.....from what I read in the news....Trump is pausing, he's really thinking about making a deal......how many times have I said in here, Trump is a deal maker.....he wants quick victories. If he thinks it will be a prolonged war, he will think twice.
same ol, same ol...with the 12 day war arguments....that Iran sucked, they can't do anything, and now we see the results, we rocked the zios to their core....they're so afraid that they sent word through Russia that they won't attack......imagine that, zios being magnanimous. LOL.

The Supreme Court just threw Trump a very shiny object....that's all he'll be thinking about in the next few weeks....at least.

 

[kastor ville]

She’s a moron. Little was changed with Bavar or Arman since the June war. Neither system is out of prototype stage. If anything was changed this individual would be the last to know.

This dumb bimbos post reads straight like ChatGPT assisted slop.

Show me one satellite photo of Arman. Or any satellite photos that point to more mass production of Bavar instead of the same systems we saw in war games.

How come we get satellite photos or S-300, S-200, talash, EW systems, but no Bavar? Has Iran mastered cloaking technology?

Well, not anymore discredited than Pixel idiot that you posted....so par for the course.
PS: There is plenty of evidence the Chinese have been working on Iran's air defences.

 

[F.O.X]

I'm genuinely surprised..... I suspected we did a lot. But this is shocking.
On the other hand...I wished they'd shut the fk up about our capabilities.

If only 10% of this was true Iran would not be in this mess.

 

[ShapurII]

Careful.....from what I read in the news....Trump is pausing, he's really thinking about making a deal......how many times have I said in here, Trump is a deal maker.....he wants quick victories. If he thinks it will be a prolonged war, he will think twice.
same ol, same ol...with the 12 day war arguments....that Iran sucked, they can't do anything, and now we see the results, we rocked the zios to their core....they're so afraid that they sent word through Russia that they won't attack......imagine that zios being magnanimous. LOL.

The Supreme Court just threw Trump a very shiny object....that's all he'll be thinking about in the next few weeks....at least.

I think time will tell, but because Trump is a deal maker, according to you, any half-intelligent deal maker would know to never make a suboptimal deal. Any deal that does not include Iran's MRBMs will be automatically rejected by Trump and Netanyahu. Mark my words.

The chance of reaching a fair deal with the United States died right after they bombed our nuclear facilities with zero casualties.

 

[Persian Gulf]

we won't have luxury of waiting 17 hours to decide to fire first missile in response next time

 

[kastor ville]

I think time will tell, but because Trump is a deal maker, according to you, any half-intelligent deal maker would know to never make a suboptimal deal. Any deal that does not include Iran's MRBMs will be automatically rejected by Trump and Netanyahu. Mark my words.

The chance of reaching a fair deal with the United States died right after they bombed our nuclear facilities with zero casualties.

Bro....I must say this to you.....you haven't been right during the 12 day war...so you don't have too much street creds, you feel me? I don't need to keep telling you the obvious.
You've chosen to see everything from a dissenter POV.....you've proved that a few times already.....you're the opposition in this fight...not an ally.

PS: I still enjoy your commentary....but I use that lens to see them.

 

[Mehdipersian]

if we can make a deal to avert war and maintain MRBMs, we should do it

even better if we can maintain some form of enrichment and get sanctions relief

war with the USA is a death sentence

We had the JCPOA and they destroyed it.

An agreement with America makes no sense.

We should only talk to terrorists with the language of bullets and missiles.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You need to give something to get something. What is Iran going to offer the United States in return for a relief from sanctions? And once we give it up, what guarantee is there that the US won't reimpose those sanctions later?

Iran's nuclear program is no longer a threat to the US interests or Israel. Iran's proxies have been weakened and have shown zero interest in joining Iran's so-called resistance against the US.

The only thing that the US is interested in is our ballistic missiles. And they are sure that they will be able to get that one way or another. And we both know the dilemma:

1. If we give up our ballistic missiles, we will be defenseless against them. So, it is full capitulation in a sense. If we give up our ballistic missiles, we should also join Abraham Accords and normalize our relations with Israel and accept to play a predictable, dictated role in the region.

2. If we do not give up our ballistic missiles, they will defang us step by step through cycles of war and economic pressure until Iran either surrenders unconditionally (as Trump tweeted in June), or the regime falls.

Anybody who thinks we can reach a balanced, non-maximalist deal with the US at this stage is fooling himself to believe Trump's fake negotiations are real. There is no negotiation. Trump has certain demands that either will be met fully or we will have a new round of war.

Trump has accepted to only negotiate about the nuclear program for now, so there is some small hope a deal can be reached, albeit this only kicks the can down the road until he then demands we negotiate our missiles later

but I don't think the US has moved this much equipment into the region just for leverage, if Araghchi's proposal in 2-3 days doesn't satisfy him, then we are in a lot of trouble

 

[Persian Gulf]

We had the JCPOA and they destroyed it.

An agreement with America makes no sense.

We should only talk to terrorists with the language of bullets and missiles.

this is not how real life works

we are talking to America right now with Khamenei's approval

 

[Bharatah]

we won't have luxury of waiting 17 hours to decide to fire first missile in response next time

The "12-day war" has already been waged by the US; 100% of the technology used there is the same as what the US uses, and there are things that Israel has that the US doesn't... Israeli planes are piloted by pilots from other countries, just like what's happening in Ukraine. This same US military force was recently expelled from Yemen.

 

[Bharatah]

Trump has accepted to only negotiate about the nuclear program for now, so there is some small hope a deal can be reached, albeit this only kicks the can down the road until he then demands we negotiate our missiles later

but I don't think the US has moved this much equipment into the region just for leverage, if Araghchi's proposal in 2-3 days doesn't satisfy him, then we are in a lot of trouble

In hybrid warfare, you deploy equipment to exert psychological pressure on the adversary and control "public opinion," creating the impression that you are stronger and your adversary is weaker and therefore must be isolated and receive no support. This is classic hybrid warfare. Along with this comes (usually) a media attack in the style of "what happened in Venezuela," to create a "victory narrative."

NOTE: And many of these devices have been there multiple times before.

 

[ShapurII]

Bro....I must say this to you.....you haven't been right during the 12 day war...so you don't have too much street creds, you feel me? I don't need to keep telling you the obvious.
You've chosen to see everything from a dissenter POV.....you've proved that a few times already.....you're the opposition in this fight...not an ally.

PS: I still enjoy your commentary....but I use that lens to see them.

I don't know. I haven't been proven wrong either. I said deterrence had not been established and it seems to be the case so far.
I claimed for years that Iran needed to go nuclear or we would eventually be dragged into a war with the US, and it seems to be the current situation.
What part of what I said about the 12-day war has been proven wrong so far?

Trump has accepted to only negotiate about the nuclear program for now, so there is some small hope a deal can be reached, albeit this only kicks the can down the road until he then demands we negotiate our missiles later

but I don't think the US has moved this much equipment into the region just for leverage, if Araghchi's proposal in 2-3 days doesn't satisfy him, then we are in a lot of trouble

I'm surprised that you are buying that. You really think that given current circumstances, the US would settle for guarantees about the peaceful nature of our nuclear program to let us survive? Seriously?
You were smart enough to correctly theorize that Israel was about to attack Iran when we were negotiating with the US. But somehow you think this time it's different. That's surprising.

 

[Immortals]

Well, not anymore discredited than Pixel idiot that you posted....so par for the course.
PS: There is plenty of evidence the Chinese have been working on Iran's air defences.

Pixel literally posted an S-200 from recent satellite photo. And we have seen satellite photos of S-300 around Tehran. It is well known that Iran has modernized S-200 and still believes in the platform and shows it off at military parades every single year. If I’m not wrong S-200 also shot down an Israeli F-16 back during the Syrian civil war even thought it’s mostly supposed to be a bomber/AwAc/Tanker Hunter. So what are you disputing in Pixel’s post?

What has this bimbo posted to support her Arman claims? her Bavar claims?

PS: There is plenty of evidence the Chinese have been working on Iran's air defences.

What evidence are you referring to? A few planes come from China and it means that China has been working on Iran’s air defenses since the war ended?

Unless you have evidence China and Russia each have transfer several AD batteries to Iran, there isn’t going to be some dramatic change in fortune for Iran. Iran simply doesn’t have enough air defense systems to counter 300+ fighter jets and 500+ LACM attacks. This isn’t something that can be changed that easily.

 

[hasssanali8998]

An agreement with America makes no sense.

u HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE
u could have had nukes but u didnt go through , u could have had an airforce and s400s but u didnt buy them

either capitulate or be bombed into stone age

 

[meh_analysis]

Pixel literally posted an S-200 from recent satellite photo. And we have seen satellite photos of S-300 around Tehran. It is well known that Iran has modernized S-200 and still believes in the platform and shows it off at military parades every single year. If I’m not wrong S-200 also shot down an Israeli F-16 back during the Syrian civil war even thought it’s mostly supposed to be a bomber/AwAc/Tanker Hunter

What has this bimbo posted to support her Arman claims? her Bavar claims?



What evidence are you referring to? A few planes come from China and it means that China has been working on Iran’s air defenses since the war ended?

Unless you have evidence China and Russia each have transfer several AD batteries to Iran, there isn’t going to be some dramatic change in fortune for Iran. Iran simply doesn’t have enough air defense systems to counter 300+ fighter jets and 500+ LACM attacks. This isn’t something that can be changed that easily.

Truth fully speaking. Iran has to focus fire it's hypersonic missile to damage or destroy a carrier. Or go for a guerilla fight. The US after Vietnam has been very anti-war, plus this being one of the lowest approved war in US history. A somewhat strong resistance, enough to shoot down and resist the first advance would probably lead to massive protest in US. If the death toll reaches more than 10k for US then gg, it's not only over for US in Iran but it's gonna be over for Trump himself.