Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Hayabusa said:
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The audacity of this retard.
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OMG! Using cliches for such blatant lies! Even Goebbels did better than this!
 
Vkdindian1 said:
It is going to be a rout for Iran. Death of few civilians or military personnel from the West/GCC due to Iranian missiles is unlikely to turn the tide for Iran. Iran doesn’t have the muscle power to really cause damage of a scale that might make US/Israel to get intimidated.

It is understandable that Iran didn’t have very many options to create a credible Air Force but they did have an option to create a potent Air Defence along with a powerful Missile/Rocket Force. That might have made a lot a difference.

There are few more deductions that are pertinent to US -Iran situation and impact on global order.

- US is the foremost power without any doubt. They have what it takes, to launch an operation at a scale that can’t be matched by anyone else, for a foreseeable future.
- China may have weapons and platforms at a similar scale as the US, but doesn’t have political willpower to undertake a similar operation. A very big reason could be lack of powerful allies. Few African and Asian midgets is all that they have as allies and these too would fall in line if the West just as much gives one stern look at them. Recent action in Venezuela and now in Iran shows that China is still faraway from exerting it’s military heft.
- Iran did have Chinese AD (specifically HQ8/9) but it proved to be a dud. Why and how might be a matter of great interest to many military observers.
- A large number of posters are celebrating attacks on the UAE. Many of them are ecstatic that this is the end of UAE. Nothing more than a juvenile concept that is likely to bite the dust within a short time. Iran has attacked not only the UAE but also Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait. The scale of damage isn’t much and once Iran has fallen, the turnaround of all these economies is likely to be very fast.
- A very important lesson on self defence has been learned by all these countries under attack by Iran. They all had offloaded their Air Defence to the US and we all can see how bad this decision was. US umbrella has miserably failed to provide any useful protection to anyone. Even own US installations and embassies have been struck.
Nations need to have some self reliance in this aspect.
- Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait might join the offensive directly. That would create a very unique situation for many nations that have a defence pact with any of these.
- Expectations of an Ukraine type resistance by Iran is extremely unlikely. The reason is lack of any support to Iran from any quarter. Iran is going to fall and the only question is not IF but WHEN.
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I see that many friends here are mighty unhappy with these points. Thumbs down and laughing reactions indicate how many of the friends only want to listen what sounds music to them. Any contrarian view makes them go weak kneed.

Iran is going down but it is likely to so fighting well. It made serious mistakes in planning.

With the details of Oman brokered deal getting leaked, it is clear that it wasn’t about Iranian nukes or lack of them. Trump and Netanyahu probably wanted a preeminent role in this region. With Iran gone, and all others already in pocket, they seem to have played it very well.
 
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SecularNationalist said:
I don't think that's not a friendly fire. A fire friendly fire can't happen to multiple jets unless they are in close proximity to each other. Either that's Russian air defence help to Iran or a Chinese hand. Remember the communication manipulation tactics Chinese used during operation sindoor that made brahmos missiles to strike down targets in India. It's looks something similar.
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@Blain2 is not necessarily wrong.
I give it 50/50 between Friendly Fire and Sabotage.
 
If strait of Hormuz doesnt
j_hungary said:
Iran has capped the Hormuz Strait (which is expected), which means either Trump and Netanyahu back down, or they are looking at the pointy end of a combined Air/Naval operation around Southern Iran, and that would be risking significant US assets, resources, and personnel.

Oil Price already spiked 10-15% last time I checked, they can't (at least Trump can't ) have the oil price spike up again because that would affect many domestic economies (read how the US economy was affected by the Russian/Ukrainian war)

Which means the next step for them is either go big or go home.
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If the war continues and Strait of Hormuz remain shut then one option might be to embark on a limited ground invasion to occupy Hormozgan and Iranian Baluchistan and install a puppet regime. The worst case scenario for Pakistan!
 
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j_hungary said:
No idea.........

I don't think you can shoot down 3 of your own in one setting, and I am just saying there are a lot of things you have to do wrong in order to have this result.......

It's almost believing that they are actually retaliating against the strike would appear more competent than genuinely shooting them down by mistake.....

I mean, you need to understand, this is not a "oopsie, I pressed a button by mistake" type of thing.
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I wouldn't discount the logical possibility(maybe small) of this being an ambush by an Iranian mobile IADS platform either. The distances are within range. This is the same as when the Patriots shot down 3 Su30(derivatives) during the start of the Ukraine war when they got the Patriots for the first time.
 
All gloves should come off now for Iran. The moment Iran started to annihilate whole building blocks in Tel Aviv and Haifa last summer, Israel immediately begged the US and Oman for a ceasefire. Iran should start doing this again immediately. Israel is now mainly bombing civilian infrastructure inside Teheran. This has to stop.
 
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A certain user was making a point about Tehran turning into Gaza and was laughed at.
 
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