Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

we have already occupied parts of afghanistan , so far no outcry , its afghanistan the worlds forgotten hellhole not some west friendly nation . also imo infrastructure can be built if we see oppurtunity to make money from the central asia connetion .

A pack of wolves first isolates the lamb, and then goes for the kill....

You can't make a circus animal out of a wolf.....

 

[flyingorca]

The level of intel collection done by CIA & Mossad is truly world's apart from ISI it's hard to know where you even lack.

Both of them are already implementing AI algorithms to process massive amounts of information from sources Pakistan didn't even realise were a thing and infiltration ideas they can't come up with, all of this massively processed to produce actionable intelligence and target data.

ISI modus operandi is still stuck in 1990's level. CIA is in 2030's.

CIA/Mossad are constantly innovating new wild methods, Pakistanis don't have the will to even think of such ideas to begin

ISI does not topple overseas governments nor does it need to spy on european Asian north south american nations. ISI only focus is Afghanistan India and maybe Iran in the future.
ISI speciality is human intelligence.

 

[Fatman17]

Taliban right now

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

CIA/Mossad rely heavily just on digital intelligence and surveillance. and now you have a spy with every person on planet in shape of these smart phones. they are processing videos , voices , behaviors and whatever else you can think of. ISI is nothing. and can never achieve that level of advancement.

Garbage IN, Garbage OUT....

Feed them garbage.....

 

[Rational Philosopher]

ISI does not topple overseas governments nor does it need to spy on european Asian north south american nations. ISI only focus is Afghanistan India and maybe Iran in the future.
ISI speciality is human intelligence.

ISI struggles to locate targets in Afghanistan and inside Pakistan of HVT belonging to terrorist groups as well as identify sleeper cells in major cities.

If you're implying that processing extremely large amounts of information over several domains to generate actionable intelligence from seemingly nothing is only useful for toppling governments and not the kind of battle Pakistan faces, then you're wrong.

It has so many use cases like identifying militant strongholds within Pakistan, sleeper cells within large cities, and target banks inside Afghanistan.

 

[Aliso5]

ISI does not topple overseas governments nor does it need to spy on european Asian north south american nations. ISI only focus is Afghanistan India and maybe Iran in the future.
ISI speciality is human intelligence.

Everyone can copy such human intel model. Nothing extraordinary I think. Not to mention this satellite surveillance etc. etc. We seriously lag there as well.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

ISI struggles to locate targets in Afghanistan and inside Pakistan of HVT belonging to terrorist groups as well as identify sleeper cells in major cities.

If you're implying that processing extremely large amounts of information over several domains to generate actionable intelligence from seemingly nothing is only useful for toppling governments and not the kind of battle Pakistan faces, then you're wrong.

It has so many use cases like identifying militant strongholds within Pakistan, sleeper cells within large cities, and target banks inside Afghanistan.

On that note, I think @Aliso5 is realistically right.

I don't think Pakistan will ever reach that level of advancement because from the getgo it has to source it's technology from others like China. It doesn't even have a local industry to speak of so reliant on what others share, and has no idea of the peak or what it's capable of.

I remember watching a Chinese podcast which was extremely detailed and informative, it was saying information going into the future will be the most critical and powerful resource, more than oil. Data. The most powerful nation will be the one with the most vast data bank, giving it control.

 

[flyingorca]

Everyone can copy such human intel model. Nothing extraordinary I think. Not to mention this satellite surveillance etc. etc. We seriously lag there as well.

Human intel has its own significance. I think if I am not mistaken but ISI kind of contributed in Soviets defeat and well as know for playing double games with US in afg.
Pakistan military does have Satellite access and as well as its own cyber force.
Not sure why Pakistan needs to compete with CI@ and Mos technologically. Unless they have 100 billion defense budget.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Human intel has its own significance. I think if I am not mistaken but ISI kind of contributed in Soviets defeat and well as know for playing double games with US in afg.
Pakistan military does have Satellite access and as well as its own cyber force.
Not sure why Pakistan needs to compete with CI@ and Mos technologically. Unless they have 100 billion defense budget.

There is a difference between having something and the actual quality of it

 

[Sparten]

Don’t understand what you mean -

That are they post setup, in such a way that if one os overriun, the others will be able to cover ingress routes into Pakistan;

 

[side-winder]

Just an opinion...

Whenever such a situation arises, we always refer to yazid and Kerbala....

In my opinion, Banu Quraizaa should be a better comparison, how they betrayed Muslims during Khandaq and what the Prophet PBUH did to them afterwards..... The Afghans have stabbed us in the back multiple times and have been left free....

Exactly, people here have very little idea or may have doubts about how much these munafiqs are in bed with TTP.

Its not only about sheltering or taking no action against TTP - its not limited to only this but actively giving directives, arranging resources and facilitating them to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Just an opinion...

Whenever such a situation arises, we always refer to yazid and Kerbala....

In my opinion, Banu Quraizaa should be a better comparison, how they betrayed Muslims during Khandaq and what the Prophet PBUH did to them afterwards..... The Afghans have stabbed us in the back multiple times and have been left free....

Beautiful post sir and I respect your opinion on this.

 

[Xestan]

Seems like a heavy response was given on ground for martyrdom of that FC soldier. But no confirmation of any airstrike since yesterday.

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[SoulSpokesman]

@Xestan

But no confirmation of any airstrike since yesterday.

PAF has already pounded them enough. Besides, AFG is already in stone age, what would PAF achieve by pounding them? The targets in AFG are worth less than the fuel and munitions that PAK would use up

Regards

 

[Rational Philosopher]

@Xestan

But no confirmation of any airstrike since yesterday.

PAF has already pounded them enough. Besides, AFG is already in stone age, what would PAF achieve by pounding them? The targets in AFG are worth less than the fuel and munitions that PAK would use up

Regards

Logistics and ammunition stockpiles is fairly valuable, also some regional commanders if necessary