Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
Im amazed about how quickly world POV of good and evil changes, when money (interests) is involved

Pak. has fewer friends after all this ends and more than that, shrinking relevance!

thats what im worried about
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I am amazed people still think in terms of good and evil and friends and enemies. There are NO such concepts in international geopolitics.

USA is doing exactly what Iran and Pakistan are doing: pursuing their own national interests, as best as possible. That is all.

Iran has pursued its own national interests, and it has come to this point that is is under direct attack, without a lot of support from any other country. Geopolitically, that is an abysmal failure, no matter what divine or regious or moral cover one may wish to give it. Now, it must bear the consequences and try to mitigate the situation as best as possible.

All is not lost at this point, however, and compromises are always better for outcomes, for all sides.

(Similarly, Pakistan will be okay if it plays its cards better than what Iran has done. But that discussion belongs in some other thread, not here.)
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
no body is arguing about US superior ability to thump enemy down

Im amazed about how quickly world POV of good and evil changes, when money (interests) is involved

Pak. has fewer friends after all this ends and more than that, shrinking relevance!

thats what im worried about

vishwaguru sahib will jump in soon!
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It is not about good and evil, but realpolitik and national interest. Everyone know this war is not in accordance with international law, but no one wants to sabotage their country's interests by taking on the guy in the White House. In this situation, the best option for most is to stay on the sidelines and keep their mouth shut unless one if forced to make a choice. Even vishwaguru Modi ji knows that.
 
Tariq Habib Afridi said:
If they were serious they should have helped iran until now.. for china lets say they are prone to sanctions but russia is already sanctioned what other excuse they have now? And what is stopping them in helping iran ? The only issue with direct russia help is the jumping of europe into the conflict which i guess they ahoulf avoid it. But they can help them under the carpet?
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Military experts , have a certain point of view we will have to wait and see
Russians are always calculated

But once they make up their mind they are quite good at what they do

They are not coming with Real Estate Agent/Salesman background
Their leadership has all got Military background

Iran do have their own Military force as well
 
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Tariq Habib Afridi said:
If they were serious they should have helped iran until now.. for china lets say they are prone to sanctions but russia is already sanctioned what other excuse they have now?
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China, Russia, and North Korea are the most sanction-resistant nations on Earth. China, in fact, can bite back if punitive sanctions are imposed on China.
Which may explain this war on Iran...
 
"Tasnim": Iranian Army's air defenses shoot down "F-15" fighter in the Alborz Heights north of Iran

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Iranian Revolutionary Guard Public Relations: On the dawn of Wednesday, we successfully targeted an American F-15E Strike Eagle fighter using our defensive systems.

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Iranian Revolutionary Guard Public Relations: The American fighter jet crashed on the outskirts of the country's southwestern borders.

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Lets get back on topic - too many China, Russia, N.K posts. They have their own threads. This thread is about Iran.
 
VCheng said:
I am amazed people still think in terms of good and evil and friends and enemies. There are NO such concepts in international geopolitics.

USA is doing exactly what Iran and Pakistan are doing: pursuing their own national interests, as best as possible. That is all.
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That is untrue. Irás has not invaded no one and didn't supported any of two genocides in the last 5 years (Yemen and Gaza) and doesn't even initiated and attack by themselves with the only exception of Pakistán because of BLA.
 
VCheng said:
I am amazed people still think in terms of good and evil and friends and enemies. There are NO such concepts in international geopolitics.

USA is doing exactly what Iran and Pakistan are doing: pursuing their own national interests, as best as possible. That is all.

Iran has pursued its own national interests, and it has come to this point that is is under direct attack, without a lot of support from any other country. Geopolitically, that is an abysmal failure, no matter what divine or regious or moral cover one may wish to give it. Now, it must bear the consequences and try to mitigate the situation as best as possible.

All is not lost at this point, however, and compromises are always better for outcomes, for all sides.

(Similarly, Pakistan will be okay if it plays its cards better than what Iran has done. But that discussion belongs in some other thread, not here.)
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Sure, but when that "national interest" calls for nuking the illegal entity, and being open about it, don't be surprised about what's happening now then.
 
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