Indian Air Force News and Discussions ll

[BrigSmart]

India has two choices.

1) F-35, but they become dependent on America.

2) Su-57, but they lose their air advantage against Pakistan, tech wise.

There is also a "none of the above" option. The problem with the Su-57 is not just the tech , but the overall unreliability of Russia as a supplier and their increasing dependence on China.

 

[That_Guy]

There is also a "none of the above" option. The problem with the Su-57 is not just the tech , but the overall unreliability of Russia as a supplier and their increasing dependence on China.

Good point.

Buuuuut, if that's the case, India will have no answer to Pakistan, when Pakistan gets the J-35AE. India wont be able to stop or slow down Pakistani air dominance in any future conflict.

 

[BrigSmart]

Good point.

Buuuuut, if that's the case, India will have no answer to Pakistan, when Pakistan gets the J-35AE. India wont be able to stop or slow down Pakistani air dominance in any future conflict.

Will it not ? How many J-35AEs has Pakistan ordered and when will they be delivered ?

Investments in air defence offer better bang for the buck and I think India has other means of deterrence if it can wait for an "indigenous" or, more realistically, co-developed alternative , but, if push really comes to shove, India will probably choose the F-35I ( which I don't expect Israel will object to) over the Russian option.

 

[That_Guy]

Will it not ? How many J-35AEs has Pakistan ordered and when will they be delivered ?

Investments in air defence offer better bang for the buck and I think India has other means of deterrence if it can wait for an "indigenous" or, more realistically, co-developed alternative , but, if push really comes to shove, India will probably choose the F-35I ( which I don't expect Israel will object to) over the Russian option.

Pakistan is set to receive its first j35s sometime late next year to early 2028.

As the current wars have taught us, ADS isn't all that its cracked up to be.

Finally, India buying the f35 (regardless of variant) will put them squarely under US influence, something India has so far avoided by only buying items they can easily find alternatives for.

 

[rafale]

Official statement from IAF. Both pilots KIA.
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Seems it is now the official 'flying coffin' for IAF.

with mig 21 crash, you lost one pilot, in the case of SU30 you will lose 2. Such sad state of affairs.

Moving on, to all those genuises who quoted SU30 as some sort of miracle for local indian defense industry because India was building them inhouse, this shows that whatever the reason of this particular crash, the SU30 sortie and serviceability rate is a poor 50-60% at best. Primary issues are related to avionics and mechanical failures (which is expected since Flanker series were designed and built when Russia really didn't have any good quality management programs). Now, if India was truly building a jet itself, it would have no issue ordering and inducting replacement jets or parts. But we can see that even their 12 unit replacement order for SU30s is not completed because India is very heavily dependent on Russian supply chain which is in a state of distress due to Ukraine war. Neither have these jets been upgraded and with RCS of a jumbo jet, they are sitting ducks for 2 decades old tech BLK52s of PAF.

And these jokers think they can build a AMCA or whatever whatsapp galgotia univeristy graduates call it, 5th Gen jet from scratch.

Sad and hilarious at the same time.

 

[BrigSmart]

Pakistan is set to receive its first j35s sometime late next year to early 2028.

As the current wars have taught us, ADS isn't all that its cracked up to be.

Finally, India buying the f35 (regardless of variant) will put them squarely under US influence, something India has so far avoided by only buying items they can easily find alternatives for.

There is no way India will get either of those planes next year even if the order were to be placed today. I guess the people in charge think we have enough of a deterrence to live with that.

There are no ideal options, but I don't there is any appetite to pay Russia to do R&D on a half-cooked, unreliable plane.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Will India Accept Su-57 Downgraded Export Version?​

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The Sukhoi Su-57 and its export variant, the Su-57E, look identical externally but possess critical internal differences. Russia designed the domestic Su-57 for its Aerospace Forces with highly classified avionics and top-tier sensor fusion. Conversely, the Su-57E is tailored to protect sensitive technology while meeting international export controls.

One major distinction involves electronic warfare suites and radar signature suppression. The export model features adjusted electronics and software to prevent foreign access to guarded source codes. Furthermore, the Su-57E features a customized cockpit where displays use English and instruments read in imperial units instead of metric readings. The export version also boasts flexible architecture. This open design allows buyers to integrate non-Russian weapons and communication systems seamlessly into the stealth platform. These careful adaptations make the advanced fighter incredibly marketable globally.

India will get basically best version with customization with indian and westeren technology.

Similar way - Su30 MKI - best version during the era when inducted.

 

[KingQamaR]

French have refused to give you source codes for the Rafale jet. Embarrassingly, before and after signing the biggest Rafale contract deal ever, Cheek of some Indians to say su57 is downgraded version lol. .

 

[SABRE]

Republic World should not be taken seriously. They are full of crackpots, starting with Arnab.

You are insulting crackpots all over the world by equating Arnab with them.

 

[Yasser76]

Seems it is now the official 'flying coffin' for IAF.

with mig 21 crash, you lost one pilot, in the case of SU30 you will lose 2. Such sad state of affairs.

Moving on, to all those genuises who quoted SU30 as some sort of miracle for local indian defense industry because India was building them inhouse, this shows that whatever the reason of this particular crash, the SU30 sortie and serviceability rate is a poor 50-60% at best. Primary issues are related to avionics and mechanical failures (which is expected since Flanker series were designed and built when Russia really didn't have any good quality management programs). Now, if India was truly building a jet itself, it would have no issue ordering and inducting replacement jets or parts. But we can see that even their 12 unit replacement order for SU30s is not completed because India is very heavily dependent on Russian supply chain which is in a state of distress due to Ukraine war. Neither have these jets been upgraded and with RCS of a jumbo jet, they are sitting ducks for 2 decades old tech BLK52s of PAF.

And these jokers think they can build a AMCA or whatever whatsapp galgotia univeristy graduates call it, 5th Gen jet from scratch.

Sad and hilarious at the same time.

Been saying this for last year or so on here.

MIG-21/27 replacements took so long and they danced up and down they did not realise their fleet mainstay, the SU-30MKI was neglected.

First one is 28 years old now

 

[dbc]

There is also a "none of the above" option. The problem with the Su-57 is not just the tech , but the overall unreliability of Russia as a supplier and their increasing dependence on China.

option 4. become China's BFF and get the J-35. China will become the guarantor of peace in the sub continent and both India and Pakistan can focus on economic development. Will it ever happen? No, I guess hell will freeze over before India comes to its senses.

 

[BrigSmart]

option 4. become China's BFF and get the J-35. China will become the guarantor of peace in the sub continent and both India and Pakistan can focus on economic development. Will it ever happen? No, I guess hell will freeze over before India comes to its senses.

Why will India need the J-35 if everyone is BFF with each other and China is guarranting everyone's security ?

Perhaps the US will also accept Pax Sinae and decommission all its warships except the USS Constitution and we will finally have world peace.

 

[dbc]

Why will India need the J-35 if everyone is BFF with each other and China is guarranting everyone's security ?

Perhaps the US will also accept Pax Sinae and decommission all its warships except the USS Constitution and we will finally have world peace.

well don't you worry about the US. We aren't scrapping the bottom of the fifth generation fighter barrel like India. I mean a dumbed down version of Su-57 - how much dumber can the Su-57 get? Regardless, Pax Sinae isn't a thing unless you mean Pax Sinica makes me wonder if your online moniker is an over ambitious exaggeration of obviously modest aptitude?

 

[BrigSmart]

well don't you worry about the US. We aren't scrapping the bottom of the fifth generation fighter barrel like India. I mean a dumbed down version of Su-57 - how much dumber can the Su-57 get? Regardless, Pax Sinae isn't a thing unless you mean Pax Sinica makes me wonder if your online moniker is an over ambitious exaggeration of obviously modest aptitude?

Lol, thanks for correcting me. It is mostly all Latin to me.
I am a modest person with only a modest interest in most fields outside my area of expertise, which is far removed from military matters. Please bear with me as I am not very fluent in English, though I was able to get by for several years in a couple of Anglophone countries. Good luck to you and the US, especially the SSA and the PBGC ( I hope I got that acronym right). I am counting on them.

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan is set to receive its first j35s sometime late next year to early 2028.

As the current wars have taught us, ADS isn't all that its cracked up to be.

Finally, India buying the f35 (regardless of variant) will put them squarely under US influence, something India has so far avoided by only buying items they can easily find alternatives for.

The J35 will be

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And then we will suddenly have it in the next few years

The only reason I can possibly see why they haven't ordered more J10s, is because of the upcoming J35


They may slowly keep inducting JF17s, and fulfilling exports orders


I'm not sure if F16s will be upgraded
And I'm still unsure what PFX is