Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

strategic win and then what? How will Iran rebuild while maintaining hostilities with the US? Rinse and repeat of whac a mole of Iranian leader followed by bombing, droning and missile attacks every six months? Persisting would require continuing to divert funding to the military at the expense of investments in the economy. I suspect the Iranian people have had enough of this vicious cycle. I once claimed Trump wouldn't attack Iran not with the mid terms looming. I was wrong, he doesn't care about the elections or public opinion. So while he is President, are we in a destructive loop?

Problem is what is the US offering instead? We choose your government and take your oil? AFAIK they never offered sanctions relief during negotiations while demanding Iran unilaterally disarm itself. The US seems to only want to engage in diplomacy where it takes your carrot and beats you repeatedly with a stick.

 

[That_Guy]

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This is what happens when you have to fight a nation with an actual credible military.

I said this in the Russia-Ukraine war thread when that war first began:

'The days of superpowers having the capabilities of quickly winning wars against middle powers is over.'

Defense tech, especially in the realm of drones, has made it nearly impossible to quickly win wars against middle powers. The US, just like Russia, is incapable of swiftly defeating any power in the top 20 military powers in the world. Any war would be quickly spiral into a war of attrition, as we've seen in Ukraine and now Iran. This is something superpowers cannot tolerate in the long term.

The US has lost this war, and now its desperately looking for an off ramp, something Iran is no longer willing to offer.

The US's global presence, especially in the middle east is now irreversibly damaged. The gulf Arabs have now seen that the US cannot be relied upon, so they will now look towards alternatives.

The rest of the world, especially nations like Japan and South Korea are looking at the US and thinking "Well, there goes our so called reliable partner", and are now ramping up domestic defense industries, and realigning their global alliances. They're no longer confident that the US will come to their defense.

The days of the US being the sole hyper-power is now over. I expect the US economy and military to be irreparably damaged in the long term, as the US economy stagnates and has no choice but to make cuts to its military capabilities.

Trump has now guaranteed China's position as the top power in the world in the medium to long term.

 

[Dalit]

Problem is what is the US offering instead? We choose your government and take your oil? AFAIK they never offered sanctions relief during negotiations while demanding Iran unilaterally disarm itself. The US seems to only want to engage in diplomacy where it takes your carrot and beats you repeatedly with a stick.

If we dive deep into history, it is actually the Americans and Western nations that backstabbed the Shah and set the stage for Ayatollah Iran.

 

[VCheng]

Let's see. Judging by the posts of some people on this site and wider internet, they believe the mega super hyper USA and Israel can overcome these initial blunders and will totally crush Iran in next few months leaving it at the same level as war torn Somalia.

That would be a wrong approach. Iran is not a pushover by anybody's standards, and the war thus far shows it clearly. It is too early to just dismiss Iran, given the evidence of its continued offensive posture.

The initial blunders do not bode well for USA for sure. It shows that it went into a marathon with its pants down by its ankles. By the time it pulls them up, it will have to catch up first, before hoping to lead in the race to win.

Given the blithering liars in charge, continued missteps may well lead to a US defeat, if they continue to ignore the advice of their own seasoned Generals because of their own egos and hubris.

Many an empire has come to and end just like that. USA is not immune, to such a fate either.

 

[Immortals]

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[Dalit]

This is what happens when you have to fight a nation with an actual credible military.

I said this in the Russia-Ukraine war thread when that war first began:

'The days of superpowers having the capabilities of quickly winning wars against middle powers is over.'

Defense tech, especially in the realm of drones, has made it nearly impossible to quickly win wars against middle powers. The US, just like Russia, is incapable of swiftly defeating any power in the top 20 military powers in the world. Any war would be quickly spiral into a war of attrition, as we've seen in Ukraine and now Iran. This is something superpowers cannot tolerate in the long term.

The US has lost this war, and now its desperately looking for an off ramp, something Iran is no longer willing to offer.

The US's global presence, especially in the middle east is now irreversibly damaged. The gulf Arabs have now seen that the US cannot be relied upon, so they will now look towards alternatives.

The rest of the world, especially nations like Japan and South Korea are looking at the US and thinking "Well, there goes our so called reliable partner", and are now ramping up domestic defense industries, and realigning their global alliances. They're no longer confident that the US will come to their defense.

The days of the US being the sole hyper-power is now over. I expect the US economy and military to be irreparably damaged in the long term, as the US economy stagnates and has no choice but to make cuts to its military capabilities.

Trump has now guaranteed China's position as the top power in the world in the medium to long term.

Undoubtedly, China is reaping the benefits. As the West, particularly the United States, attempts to contain China's influence, they increasingly find themselves further from achieving that objective. China is growing from strength to strength.

 

[Dalit]

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Israel will be the end of Trump. Netanyahu wants to fight a lengthy war and let me assure you that neither Trump nor the entire Western camp is ready for a prolonged conflict.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Best bet for Iran is to race towards a nuke but they won't allow it by any means.

Next best bet is holding the global economy hostage as it is already threatening, by mining the entire strait aggressively and targeting technology industry in the region. This is a last resort if regime is on the brink of collapse.

 

[Immortals]

Houthis may be preparing to join

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[NA71]

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Iranian President' tweet reaffirms ....Pakistan is actively working to end this crisis ....along with major regional players excluding motherland wala ....bc

 

[030292]

once this is over iran should do everything they can to get a few squadrons of J-35 plus their state of the art aew&c and china's advance air defence system.

these platforms could be the game changer in conventional warfare domain against zionists and make sure zionists aerial assets dont come close to iran's airspace.

with these platforms zionists ability to fire standoff weapons will be greatly diminished, with tehran's full control over their own airspace, they can launch thousands of drones and ballistic missiles everyday to cause unimaginable destruction to the enemy,

next time if zionists try to do any misadventure they will think a thousand times before to do anything.

china will probably be willing to provide these platforms to iran considering how iran still makes sure that china gets oil supplies despite hormuz being under full blockade, this is a gesture that will be appreciated by chinese for years to come. these are the things that nations never forget and do everything they can to provide help.

 

[Dalit]

Houthis may be preparing to join

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That will really test Israel. Three fronts against Israel.

 

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[NA71]

once this is over iran should do everything they can to get a few squadrons of J-35 plus their state of the art ae and china's advance air defence system.

these platforms could be the game changer in conventional warfare domain against zionists and make sure zionists aerial assets dont come close to iran's airspace.

with these platforms zionists ability to fire standoff weapons will be greatly diminished, with tehran's full control over their own airspace, they can launch thousands of drones and ballistic missiles everyday to cause unimaginable destruction to the enemy,

next time if zionists try to do any misadventure they will think a thousand times before to do anything.

china will probably be willing to provide these platforms to iran considering how iran still makes sure that china gets oil supplies despite hormuz being under full blockade, this is a gesture that will be appreciated by chinese for years to come. these are the things that nations never forget and do everything they can to provide help.

If Iran had an Airforce ....it would have been neutralized with in days.....Iran knew that ....thats why they focused on Missiles only and it is being proved they were right......strong lesson for Pakistan.....Hypersonic....long range ....clustered War heads

 

[Dalit]

once this is over iran should do everything they can to get a few squadrons of J-35 plus their state of the art aew&c and china's advance air defence system.

these platforms could be the game changer in conventional warfare domain against zionists and make sure zionists aerial assets dont come close to iran's airspace.

with these platforms zionists ability to fire standoff weapons will be greatly diminished, with tehran's full control over their own airspace, they can launch thousands of drones and ballistic missiles everyday to cause unimaginable destruction to the enemy,

next time if zionists try to do any misadventure they will think a thousand times before to do anything.

china will probably be willing to provide these platforms to iran considering how iran still makes sure that china gets oil supplies despite hormuz being under full blockade, this is a gesture that will be appreciated by chinese for years to come. these are the things that nations never forget and do everything they can to provide help.

With the resources that Iran has this should have been the goal from day one.