Wargame - Bad Blood

[Oscar]

Good Morning/Evening Armchair Generals!
@Nilgiri @Raja Porus @Joe Shearer - tag those coming in - move it to the right section.

This is your controller speaking -

In light of its popularity and sheer quasi-realistic fun we will be restarting the "for fun" simulated virtual conflict between India and Pakistan using two popular wargaming platforms.
In its previous iteration - we saw a bloody battle for each side as all sorts of weapons were tested and some new ones popped up. Unfortunately, much like the previous forum this battle proved unsustainable and had to be culled.

But time heals all wounds and helps with advancements in technology - today Command: Modern Operations is much updated along with wargame: red dragon having the ability to simulate a lot of the equipment both sides have now in decent detail.

What is also good is I have managed to recover a lot of the old information - and specific plans. But the teams will have to format them a little for the new way this will be played.

The battle will rage starting with Command Modern Operations but will move to wargame red dragon whenever any significant land battle is about to ensue.
we will be keeping tallies - we will be maintaining a strict kill/loss table!

However, as the tech has changed so have I also absorbed the lessons learned from that run. This iteration of Wargame will be focused on very tight rules and even tighter orbats. This means we are going to see more of this(the old person in the video is on way representative of @Joe Shearer )

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I will laying out the rules and the teams participating - and it will be an open forum

For a start - I will need to create two dedicated DM threads between the two teams - So I can get you all the existing material that was specific to you and coordinate actions from there.

But there will be this public forum for not just updates but first public consensus on Orbats and assets.
This will be more structures - less chaotic and run in a manner that would make Johann Hellwig proud while still providing the audience here an engaging narrative.

We will use AI both to assist in creating the structure but also to help as controller and scorer - but ensure it doesnt get so complicated that we all end up with an ever receding hairline or simply lose interest.

What we want is to see results of all the claims made here - but at the same time not a repeat of this from the last game:
SIDE: India
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LOSSES:
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8x 40mm/70 Single Bofors [Flycatcher Mk1 FCR]
2x A/C Hangar (2x Large Aircraft)
1x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
1x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
1x AH-64E Apache Guardian
12x Akash
15x Ammo Revetment
6x BMP-2 Sarath [AT-5 Spandrel A] IFV
15x Brahmos Blk II [Land-Attack]
5x Brahmos Blk III [Land-Attack]
2x Building (Control Tower)
1x Building (Very Large)
12x David's Sling TEL
1x EMB-145I AEWC
2x F 31 Brahmaputra [Mod Godavari]
1x Gulfstream III
3x Harop TEL
3x Harpy TEL
14x HISAR-A TEL
2x HQ Div (Soviet Red Army)
12x Hyunmoo 2C [Conventional 500kg HE] TEL
2x Il-78MKI Midas
2x Jaguar IS [Darin 2]
14x Jaguar IS [Darin 3]
13x LCA Tejas Mk1
9x MiG-21bis UPG Fishbed N [Bison]
15x MiG-29UPG Fulcrum A
7x Mirage 2000-5EDA
8x Mirage 2000H-5
1x P 28 Kamorta [Pr.28]
3x P 61 Kora [Pr.25A Khukri]
3x P-8I Neptune [Poseidon]
1x Radar (GRL 600 Indra 1)
1x Radar (Master-T)
1x Radar (Spoon Rest D [P-18])
2x Radar (THD-1955 MPR)
3x Radar (Tin Shield A [5N59])
1x Radar (TRS 2215)
12x Rafale C
4x S 44 Shishumar [Type 209-1500]
2x S 55 Sindhughosh [PL-877E Kilo]
12x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
2x SA-19 Grisom [2S6M] TELAR
4x SA-21a Growler TEL
19x SA-21a/b Growler TEL
6x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail
6x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
8x Su-30MKI Flanker H
11x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H
11x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H
2x Vehicle (Barak I VLS [8 Cells])
3x Vehicle (Cheese Board [96L6])
3x Vehicle (EL/M-2084 MMR)
2x Vehicle (ELINT [Advanced])
1x Vehicle (ELINT [Average])
4x Vehicle (EOS)
3x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
5x Vehicle (Flycatcher Mk1)
1x Vehicle (Flycatcher Mk2)
4x Vehicle (Grave Stone [92N2])
4x Vehicle (KALKAN-II)
3x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])
1x Vehicle (Mirador Tri-Sensor Turret)
3x Vehicle (Rajendra)
4x Vehicle (Truck, C2/C3)
4x Vehicle (Truck, Unarmed)


DECOYS:
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EXPENDITURES:
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6x 1150 liter Drop Tank
2x 1200 liter Drop Tank
18x 1250 liter Drop Tank
12x 1300 liter Drop Tank
15x 1500 liter Drop Tank
26x 2000 liter Drop Tank
1x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
6x 300 USG Drop Tank
4x 30mm 2S6 Burst [50 rnds]
20x 370 USG Drop Tank
218x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds, Flycatcher Mk1 FCR]
24x 500 liter Drop Tank
36x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
4x 76mm/62 Super Rapido HE Burst [2 rnds]
8x 800 liter Drop Tank
12x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
1x AA-11 Archer [R-73M1]
59x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
2x AA-12 Adder B [R-77-1, RVV-SD]
2x AA-12 Adder C [R-77M]
6x AGM-84L Harpoon II
40x AK-630 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
31x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
66x Akash
4x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
1x AN/SSQ-77B VLAD
4x Apache [10 x KRISS Runway Penetrators]
4x AS-17 Krypton A [Kh-31A, ASM]
40x AS-17 Krypton C [Kh-31P, ARM]
16x AS-17 Krypton D [Kh-31PD, ARM]
18x BAP.100 Anti-Runway
85x Barak I
2x BT-4 Chaff
8x Delilah
4x Delilah-AL
6x Derby
8x Derby [SPYDER-MR]
9x Generic Acoustic Decoy
160x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
34x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
9x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
19x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
141x Harop
161x HISAR-A Air Defense Missile
108x Hyunmoo 2C [500kg HE Conventional]
96x Hyunmoo 2C RV [500kg HE Conventiona]
16x Hyunmoo 3B
20x LRCR Chaff
16x Meteor
10x MICA EM
12x MICA IR
26x MIM-120C-7 NASAMS II [AMRAAM]
24x Passenger
3x PJ-10 Brahmos
31x PJ-10 Brahmos Blk I [Land-Attack]
71x PJ-10 Brahmos Blk II [Land-Attack]
34x PJ-10 Brahmos Blk III [Land-Attack]
24x PK-10 Chaff [SR-50]
6x Python 5
12x Python 5 [SPYDER-MR]
20x Runway Attack Munition (RAM) CB [24 x Runway Penetrators]
30x SA-21a Growler [48N6DM]
155x SA-21b Growler [40N6]
86x SA-3b Goa [5V27, V-601P]
2x SA-7a Grail [9M32]
2x SA-8b Gecko Mod-0 [9M33M2]
4x SCALP EG
8x SPICE 1000 GPS/EO [Mk83]
2x SPICE 2000 GPS/EO [Mk84]
32x SPICE 250 GPS/EO
38x SRCR Chaff
8x SS-N-27 Sizzler [3M54E1 Klub]
130x Stunner
2x SUT Mod 1
2x VL-MICA EM

WEAPONS/STORES LOST:
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SIDE: Pakistan
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LOSSES:
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11x 30mm China LD-2000 [Type 730]
8x 35mm Twin Oerlikon [UAR-1021 Skyguard FCR]
2x 35mm/90 PGZ-07 SPAAG
1x A/C Hangar (2x Large Aircraft)
4x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
7x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
1x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Medium Aircraft)
3x Al Khalid [MBT-2000] Main Battle Tank
1x Ammo Shelter
2x Anka-I ELINT Mod
3x AvGas (150k Liter Tank)
6x AvGas (75k Liter Tank)
3x Bayraktar Akinci UCAV
1x Building (Airport Terminal)
1x Building (Control Tower)
3x Burraq [CH-3 Derivative] UAV
3x C-802 Triple
1x Container Storage Park
1x F 251 Zulfiquar [F-22P Class, Mod Type 053H3 Jiangwei II]
7x F-16A Falcon ADF
11x F-16AM Falcon MLU
2x F-16B Falcon ADF
4x F-16BM Falcon MLU
1x F-16CJ Blk 52+ Falcon [Peace Drive]
4x F-16DJ Blk 52+ Falcon [Peace Drive]
2x F-7MP Skybolt [F-7PG]
6x Hermes 900 UAV [Star]
12x HQ-16A [LY-80] TEL
2x HQ-17 TELAR
28x HQ-9A TEL
8x HQ-9B TEL
7x J-10C Vigorous Dragon
26x JF-17 Thunder Blk 2
6x JF-17 Thunder Blk 3
4x JF-17B Thunder Blk 2
12x M113A1 APC
3x Mirage 5D
2x Mirage 5DR
10x Mirage 5F [ROSE II/III]
4x Mirage 5PA2
3x Mistral MANPADS
18x MQM-74C Chukar II UAV
1x P-3C Orion Update II
1x PD.808GE2
10x R.440 Crotale NG
1x Radar (AN/TPS-77)
2x Radar (China YLC-2V)
1x Radar (MPDR-45)
3x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1 MANPADS
1x S 139 Improved Khalid [Agosta 90B]
1x Saab 2000 AEW&C [Erieye]
3x SY-400 MLRS
1x Vehicle (1L269 Krasuha-2 Mobile Jammer+ELINT)
6x Vehicle (China HT-233 [HQ-9])
1x Vehicle (China Type 352 Square Tie)
5x Vehicle (China YLC-2V)
1x Vehicle (HQ-16 FCR)
1x Vehicle (Truck Depot, 40x Vehicles)
4x Vehicle (Truck, Unarmed)
3x Vehicle (UAR-1021 Skyguard)
1x Y-8F-400 Cub [ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle]



EXPENDITURES:
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8x 20mm/100 Mk15 Phalanx Blk 1B Burst [300 rnds, C-RAM Mod]
4x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
5x 23mm Type 23-3 Burst [40 rnds]
51x 30mm China H/PJ-12 [Type 730, 240 rnds]
3x 30mm DEFA 552 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
6x 30mm Type 30-1 x 2 Burst [30 rnds]
6x 35mm/90 Twin Type-90 Burst [20 rnds, China Type 902 FC]
6x 500kg GPB
2x ADM-141A TALD [Active RF]
4x ADM-160B MALD [Active RF]
55x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
7x AIM-9L Sidewinder
6x AIM-9M Sidewinder
6x AIM-9P-4 Sidewinder
1x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
9x AM.39 Exocet Blk I
1x AN/SSQ-53E DIFAR
1x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
1x AN/SSQ-62D DICASS
4x AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 [Kh-22NA INS+TERCOM]
31x Aspide 2000
8x Atmaca ASM [Blk I]
6x Babur 3 [Conventional]
4x BL.755 No.2 CB [147 x AAA Anti-Armor Bomblets, Radar Fuze]
4x BLU-134 500lb Superfrag
145x BP-12A
16x CM-400Akg Wrecker [AGM, YJ-12 Derivative]
4x CY-3 ASROC [Yu-7]
4x DF-11 [Conventional, CSS-7 Mod-1]
3x DF-17 [500kg HE Conventional]
2x F17 Mod 2
16x GBU-31(V)1/B JDAM [Mk84]
4x GBU-32(V)1/B JDAM [Mk83]
2x Generic Acoustic Decoy
2x Generic Chaff Rocket
82x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
71x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
3x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
14x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
28x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
25x H-4 SOW [Raptor 2]
6x Hatf 2 [Conventional]
9x Hatf 4 [Conventional, Shaheen 1]
9x Hatf 4 RV [Conventional]
27x Hatf 5 [Ghauri-I, Conventional]
21x Hatf 5 RV [Ghauri-I, Conventional]
16x Hatf 6 [Conventional, Shaheen 2]
64x Hatf 7 [700kg HE Conventional, Babur]
181x HQ-16A [SA-17 Semi-Copy]
38x HQ-16B
29x HQ-17 [SA-15 Copy]
4x HQ-7 Crotale [FM-80, CSA-4]
599x HQ-9A
177x HQ-9B
8x KD-88 LACM
266x KN-09
44x KN-25 (450kg HE) Guided MLRS / SRBM
36x KN-25 (450kg HE) Guided MLRS / SRBM RV
4x LS-6-500 Extended-Range Bomb, GPS/INS [500kg HE]
24x MAR-1 [ARM]
2x Mk20 Rockeye II CB [247 x Mk118 Dual Purpose Bomblets]
1x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
4x Mk84 2000lb LDGP
1x MU-90 Impact
30x PL-12
24x PL-15
10x PL-9
39x R.440 Crotale-NG VT1
3x Raad-500 MRBM
3x Raad-500 MRBM
6x RB 70 Bolide
16x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1
5x RIM-116B RAM Blk I
14x SOM-B1 [HE]
8x SOM-B2 [Penetrator]
325x SY-400 MLRS [Unitary]
4x Wan Chien [Anti-Runway Cruise Missile]
67x YJ-62
8x YJ-83K [C-802AK]
2x Yu-7

WEAPONS/STORES LOST:
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1x Generic OECM Pod [Advanced]


SIDE: Civillian
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LOSSES:
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1x Airbus A.320-200
1x Learjet 36A


The days are primed and this is Q1 so better get to it.

WAR - WHAT IS GOOD FOR?

 

[Oscar]

Special Briefing for the 2024 India-Pakistan Wargame Scenario

Step into the command center! We're rolling out the map for an epic showdown, the 2024 India-Pakistan Wargame Scenario, and you're in the hot seat. This isn't just any game; it's a mental battlefield where your decisions ripple through virtual nations and shape the course of history. Whether you're here to test your tactical genius or to witness the spectacle, welcome to a theater of strategy and suspense!

You're about to dive into a simmering cauldron of geopolitical tension. The year is 2024, and the air is thick with the threat of conflict between India and Pakistan. Will the teams tip the scales of fate or navigate through the storm to diplomatic victory? witness a high-intensity simulation that mirrors the complexities and dynamism of modern warfare. the teams mission is clear, yet the path is riddled with uncertainty and danger.

For the Skeptics and Naysayers:​

Think this is child's play? We challenge you to think again. This is about understanding the delicate dance of diplomacy, the weight of military decisions, and the intricate tapestry of international relations. Join the fray, and put your skepticism to the test. Who knows? You might just be the master strategist we didn't know we needed.

And to avoid overload and even fairer keeping - I created 2 AI assistants that will be acting not just as controllers with all the information but also keeping score, ensuring rules while also providing the accurate briefs based on actions. Fear the power of LUA and GPTs!

For the spectators:
As observers, your role transcends mere viewership; you are the analysts, the critics, and the conscience of this exercise. Your engagement will illuminate the complexities of modern conflict and shape many future analysis we talk to here.

The Observer's Vantage Point:​

• Privileged Insight: You will have access to real-time updates, strategic overviews, and expert analyses. Watch as the scenario unfolds, and the participants, our esteemed commanders, navigate the treacherous waters of international conflict.
• Interactive Platforms: Engage in discussions, debates, and polls. Your opinions and analyses matter. Pose questions, offer predictions, and provide your perspective on the unfolding events.
• Realism at its Core: The simulation is rooted in realism, with participants making decisions based on actual military capabilities, political pressures, and international laws. So Real-world constraints are in play. Logistics, morale, international pressure — the battlefield is broader than you think.

Media and Intelligence:​

• Behind the Scenes: Gain insights into how military decisions are influenced by media, public opinion, and real-time intelligence. Witness the impact of these factors on strategy and morale.
• Media Reports: Follow simulated media reports that reflect the global reaction to the conflict, adding an additional layer of complexity and realism to the scenario.

For the Participants:

• Primary Objective: To navigate the complex web of military engagements, diplomacy, and internal stability. Your decisions should aim to achieve your strategic objectives while considering the broader implications of your actions. Victory is not just about territory; it's about achieving your strategic objectives with minimal collateral damage and international fallout.
  
  
• Secondary Objectives: These may include territorial control, destruction of enemy capabilities, international diplomacy, and more, depending on your role.
  
  
• Duration: The game is set to run over a period representing 2-4 weeks of in-game time.

• Force Inventory and Disclosure:​

  • Paper Strength: Each side will disclose a comprehensive list of available military units and assets that will be made public. This includes the types, quantities, and capabilities of each unit.
  • Actual Availability: Realistic limitations will be applied, reflecting readiness levels, logistical capabilities, and other real-world constraints based upon feedback from the public in consensus. Teams in collaboration with controller and adjudicator will Define what percentage of the total force can be realistically deployed given the scenario's time frame, geographical constraints, and logistical considerations.
    
    
  • Readiness Levels: Consider the readiness levels of units, as not all might be combat-ready or available due to maintenance, training, or other operational commitments.. Based upon consensus the current readiness level of each unit (fully operational, in maintenance, training, etc.) will be applied - which means not only will we not have your pretty squadron of 18 JF-17s or Su-30s fully available, but each of the pilots in that squadron will have various training levels.
  • Strategic Reserves: Decide on a percentage of forces that must be kept in reserve, reflecting real-world strategic considerations and the unforeseen needs of a prolonged campaign.
  • Deployment Timeframe: We will decide on realistic timelines for mobilization and deployment of each unit.
  • Considerations:
    • To allow for fairness - An impartial adjudicator or panel reviews the submitted inventories to verify their accuracy and completeness. For this measure we do have the option to nominate people from each country.
    • All parties (players and adjudicators) agree to the final force inventory and constraints.
    • After agreement, no changes are allowed unless extraordinary circumstances arise and are agreed upon by all parties.
    • The only exception is that each side can submit two "undisclosed" black assets each that can be taken out for use in conflict - These must be talked to in private with adjudicators and controllers - and only after approval will be added to the Orbat.
• Team structure:
  Now, Ideally I would love for everyone to participate in the spirit of fun without any meanness or ego attached - so we can have fun and not the usual "I hate you - I hate this idea -you are losers - you aren't Pakistani/Indian/Muslim/Hindu/ Rastafarian/PTI/BJP etc etc." so please be kind human beings for once if you want to sprout such ideas or useless smileys and dont do it and just leave this activity alone.
  
  My thought is whatever team is taken on for the sides - it gets odd numbers of members to allow breaking of disagreement ties. That is it. If you want to participate - put your names down - and we can add you to the team BUT then you are bound by the team good conduct to not disclose anything discussed between your team or adjudicator or controllers to the other side or or in public.

• Turn Structure:​

  Each turn represents a set period within the game's time, with real-life time allocated for decision-making.
  • Duration of Each Turn: When each side says submit - ideally no more than 48 hours real-time for planning and execution.
  • Total Scenario Duration: 2-4 weeks or surrender, use of fictional superweapons, or other predetermined end conditions.
• Scoring System:
  After each move, the controller updates the score based on outcomes:
  • Kill/Loss List: A tally of all units lost and destroyed for each side.
  • Points System: Assign points for objectives achieved, enemy units destroyed, and successful strategy implementation.
  • Penalties: For rule violations or failed objectives

• Rules for Combined Warfare Scenario:
  

  • Pre-Defined Orders of Battle (ORBAT):
    
    • All assets (units, equipment, support) must be declared and agreed upon before the scenario starts.
    • Violation: Introducing an undeclared asset during the game.
  • Communication Protocol:
    
    • All commands and communications for the game should be made through the designated channels.
    • Violation: Using unauthorized channels to give orders or gather intelligence.
  • Engagement and Movement:
    
    • All movements and engagements must adhere to the capabilities and limitations of the assets.
    • Violation: Moving units faster than their maximum speed(in deployment time.
  • Enforcement and disputes: For this we have our nice AI Assistant whose output I will always provide - but basically it will be given all the records of moves and associated changes and if there are disputes or rules breaking it will provide the analysis. We can also have additional human participants on the panel.

Real life political situations in your country getting you down or angry at neighbors and minorities - don't worry, this is NOT your Pakistan and NOT your India - those political events that have you angry or happy did not happen here. This universe just came to exist but it carries all of your nameless baggage of really really not liking each other.

If you want to participate - you are MOST welcome
If you want to troll - not so good.
If you want to be a sourpuss and pass smart-alec comments - nobody is paying you to participate - leave this thread alone.




@ghazi52 @That_Guy @Panzerkiel @Waz @Nilgiri @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @MastanKhan @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE @Quwa @Bratva @Kaniska @Joe Shearer @RescueRanger @Amaa’n @VCheng @Be dazzled @Fatman17

 

[Nilgiri]

@Dedbot , little birdie told me you are "PDF" from old forum, I thought I recognised your sense of humour heh.

Also going to tag @hellfire200604 (if I think that is who I think it is) and @hussain0316 who looked eminently interested in this topic and seems a very pleasant chap may I add.

 

[Nilgiri]

We should run some small scale test sims first before we start adding more to it. These can be done with no opsec regd the teams, i.e open transparent stuff just as proof of concept to give initial working idea of the mechanics to everyone (that will be scaled with time and with more complexity, combined ops, opsec i.e more dimensions to the sim and analysis).

 

[Kermit]

@Dedbot , little birdie told me you are "PDF" from old forum, I thought I recognised your sense of humour heh.

Damn it....

I thought to turn over a new leaf.. New Forum, New Me.. The past seems to have caught on!

And whoever is stalking me, exposing my past... leave me alone hahahaha!

@Panzerkiel Please take a more active role in this thread, and if possible, be part of Pakistani or Indian team.

 

[Oscar]

Backstory to the 2024 India-Pakistan Strategic Engagement​

In the year 2024, the world watches with bated breath as the Indian Subcontinent teeters on the brink of a catastrophic conflict. India and Pakistan, nuclear-armed neighbors and long-time adversaries, stand at a crossroads between peace and devastation.

The Prelude to Crisis:​

The origins of this dire situation trace back several years. India, under the leadership of Prime Minister Aarav Singh, has been pursuing aggressive economic and military modernization. The nation has made significant strides in technology, defense capabilities, and international diplomacy. Meanwhile, Pakistan, led by Prime Minister Farhan Qureshi, has been dealing with internal political turmoil and economic challenges, while also trying to combat various militant groups within its borders.

The Indian Armed Forces, with their significant advancements in cyber warfare, satellite surveillance, and a modernized navy and air force, stand ready to protect and assert the nation's interests. The Pakistan Armed Forces, known for their resilience and traditionally reliant on the concept of strategic depth, face a new challenge. With Afghanistan no longer a cooperative ally, Pakistan's ability to extend its defensive and offensive capabilities is significantly constrained. In response, Pakistan has focused on modernizing its arsenal, emphasizing asymmetric warfare capabilities and forming strategic alliances elsewhere to compensate for this loss of strategic depth.

The Flashpoint:​

The immediate catalyst for the current crisis is a series of terrorist attacks in Mumbai, resulting in hundreds of casualties. India's intelligence agencies have traced the origins of these attacks to a Kashmiri linked militant group operating from within Pakistan, known as the "Sons of the Valley" Despite Pakistan's insistence on its non-involvement and condemnation of the attacks, public and political pressure in India mounts for a decisive response.

In the aftermath, skirmishes along the Line of Control in Kashmir become more frequent and intense. International efforts to de-escalate the situation are undermined by aggressive rhetoric from both sides. Media outlets, social media, and public demonstrations fan the flames of nationalism and hatred. Within India, Kashmiri militant groups calling themselves the "Sons of the Valley"(SOV) are also active and it is suspected

Inside Pakistan, its military has assets already committed to combating the "Tehreek e Pasban o Khorasan(TPK) so its some of its paramilitary will have to cater to those attacks. Pakistan accuses India of sponsoring the TPK and providing it operational instructions. The unpredictable actions of these two groups add another layer of complexity to the already intricate tapestry of the conflict.

The international community is on edge. The United Nations, led by Secretary-General Maria Espinosa, calls for restraint and dialogue, but their pleas are overshadowed by the beating drums of war. The United States, China, Russia, and other regional powers conduct a series of diplomatic engagements trying to prevent the situation from spiraling out of control.

The geopolitical landscape is already tilting. India's enhanced diplomatic activities and its burgeoning role on the world stage have allowed it to exert economic pressure on Pakistan. Leveraging its growing alliances and trade partnerships, India has managed to isolate Pakistan economically, exacerbating its internal challenges and putting its leadership in a precarious position.
A surgical strike to hit known targets for the SoV was considered by India as well, but the hawks are suggesting that Pakistan in its already cornered situation might double down and look even further away on militant attacks.

India's Strategic Calculus:​

India, aware of its enhanced international standing and the economic vice it has tightened around Pakistan, contemplates its military options. One of the more aggressive strategies at its disposal is the "Cold Start" doctrine. This doctrine allows for rapid mobilization and a swift, targeted strike into Pakistan, designed to achieve significant territorial gains before international powers can intervene. The aim is not just military success but also to further weaken Pakistan's standing and morale.

However, India recognizes that such an aggressive move could have significant international repercussions. As such, it also considers the option of full mobilization and a more traditional, albeit slower, approach to conflict. This would give Pakistan time to respond but would also allow India to bring its full military might to bear, showcasing its capabilities and resolve while maintaining a veneer of restraint and strategic patience.

Pakistan's Precarious Position:​

Faced with economic strangulation and the threat of Indian military action, Pakistan finds itself in a dilemma. A pre-emptive strike, while risky, could disrupt India's plans and demonstrate Pakistan's resolve. Such a strike could involve a range of asymmetric tactics, including targeted strikes on critical infrastructure, use of advanced missile technology, and leveraging its strategic depth by mobilizing allies and proxy forces.

Pakistan's military leadership knows that a successful pre-emptive strike could potentially level the playing field and force India into a defensive posture. However, the risks are immense. A failed pre-emptive strike could lead to international condemnation, further isolation, and a devastating counter-offensive from India.

Your Role:​

Participants in this wargame are tasked with navigating these complex strategic choices. Your decisions will simulate the potential paths this conflict could take, exploring the consequences of aggression, restraint, and the delicate balance of power.

Observers are encouraged to engage critically, analyzing the moves and considering the broader implications of each strategy.

My Role:

I will be running the simulation on my machine - using Command: Modern Operations as the primary simulator and then Wargame: Red Dragon for ground fights. Why my machine? It has the required software - the previously created scenarios and files from the legacy PDF wargame - and it is a really powerful machine in general.

Lastly - and to reiterate with due respect to ALL

I extend a cordial invitation to each one of you to participate. This wargame is not just an exploration of military strategies and geopolitical outcomes; it's a platform for learning, understanding, and engaging with complex international relations dynamics.

In the spirit of fostering a constructive and respectful environment, we kindly ask all participants and observers to leave aside personal histories, feelings about other countries, political situations, and any preconceived notions at the door. This simulation is a neutral ground, a place for objective analysis and strategic thinking.

Here are a few guidelines we encourage everyone to follow:

• Respect and Objectivity: Approach discussions and decisions with respect and objectivity. Remember, the scenario is a fictional representation designed for educational purposes. It's an opportunity to think critically and analytically, not a platform for airing personal grievances or political views.
• No History or Politics: Please refrain from bringing in historical conflicts or current political situations into the game. Our focus is on the strategic elements of the scenario at hand, and we wish to keep the environment as professional and unbiased as possible.
• Constructive Participation: If you choose to participate, do so with the intent to contribute positively. Engage in discussions, share insights, and provide feedback that enriches the experience for all.
• Voluntary Involvement: Participation is entirely voluntary. If you feel that this exercise is not for you, or if you're uncomfortable at any point, you're under no obligation to participate. Your well-being and comfort are paramount.
• No Compulsion: Feel no compulsion to conform to any viewpoint or strategy. This wargame is a space for diverse strategies and analyses to coexist and compete. Every decision, every move, is a learning opportunity, not just for you but for all participants and observers

Thank you - and let have some fun.

Oscar a.k.a SQ8

 

[Oscar]

We should run some small scale test sims first before we start adding more to it. These can be done with no opsec regd the teams, i.e open transparent stuff just as proof of concept to give initial working idea of the mechanics to everyone (that will be scaled with time and with more complexity, combined ops, opsec i.e more dimensions to the sim and analysis).

Excellent Idea - we can run the 2019 skirmish into it and see how that plays out?? Or even a very different scenario - like lets say BD vs Myanmar short aerial skirmish?

 

[Oscar]

Damn it....

I thought to turn over a new leaf.. New Forum, New Me.. The past seems to have caught on!

And whoever is stalking me, exposing my past... leave me alone hahahaha!

@Panzerkiel Please take a more active role in this thread, and if possible, be part of Pakistani or Indian team.

If he is able to spare time to participate - I would rather have him and @Signalian acting as adjudicators.

 

[Panzerkiel]

If he is able to spare time to participate - I would rather have him and @Signalian acting as adjudicators.

 

[VCheng]

For the Participants:

• Primary Objective: To navigate the complex web of military engagements, diplomacy, and internal stability. Your decisions should aim to achieve your strategic objectives while considering the broader implications of your actions. Victory is not just about territory; it's about achieving your strategic objectives with minimal collateral damage and international fallout.
  
  
• Secondary Objectives: These may include territorial control, destruction of enemy capabilities, international diplomacy, and more, depending on your role.
  
  
• Duration: The game is set to run over a period representing 2-4 weeks of in-game time.

I will be observing with interest, and in particular, casualties amongst the combatants as well as civilians on both sides, and the consequences thereof.

 

[Nilgiri]

Excellent Idea - we can run the 2019 skirmish into it and see how that plays out?? Or even a very different scenario - like lets say BD vs Myanmar short aerial skirmish?

Yup these sound ideal. We can do one for each subdomain air, land, sea.

Then maybe one that then combines all 3 to get an idea of any niggles/limits early on too.

Time will free up for me a few days after new years. I will have hopefully figured out where a few others stand by then (w.r.t their own CMO experience and willingness/interest here).

Joe will also be able to type/post things more conveniently by then too.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

 

[Oscar]

Yup these sound ideal. We can do one for each subdomain air, land, sea.

Then maybe one that then combines all 3 to get an idea of any niggles/limits early on too.

Time will free up for me a few days after new years. I will have hopefully figured out where a few others stand by then (w.r.t their own CMO experience and willingness/interest here).

Joe will also be able to type/post things more conveniently by then too.

I think the newer updates make conops much easier - plus all the stuff from earlier exists as well.
What I do suggest is that the process I did is followed because then it will reduce confusion and allow for smoother flow.

When I had to run that one - some assets i had to individually cast via Lua constantly due to added avionics and weapons systems whereas now its much easier with gui for those tasks.

Same goes for coordination of large scale air and naval operations

 

[hellfire200604]

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Also going to tag @hellfire200604 (if I think that is who I think it is)

Yes it's me

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Isn't Bad Blood in the title a bit offensive? Although War Itself is Offensive.

In addition, what's the timeline so viewers like us got something interesting.