Turkish Air Defence Programs
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hyperman
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Going forwards Turkey needs to build out the Anti Ballistic Missile defense with indigenous tech and phase out the foreign deployments in Turkey, Including the Patriots, SAMP-T and THAAD and other early warning equipment. With completely domestic equivalents.
Looking at the region overall, relying on a foreign state for your air defense, or even having the deployment of foreign air defense can be a liability and make you a target for those who have grievances with those states. And as we have seen, in many circumstances they use you as a shield rather than the other way around. It can even be an avenue for potential sabotage.
The Nuclear Weapons sharing is probably not something that will be touched, and there are merits for that deployment, but the air defense picture and signals intelligence should be completely controlled by Turkey, and sovereign in all scopes, from the equipment to the personel to the ecosystem.
Looking at the region overall, relying on a foreign state for your air defense, or even having the deployment of foreign air defense can be a liability and make you a target for those who have grievances with those states. And as we have seen, in many circumstances they use you as a shield rather than the other way around. It can even be an avenue for potential sabotage.
The Nuclear Weapons sharing is probably not something that will be touched, and there are merits for that deployment, but the air defense picture and signals intelligence should be completely controlled by Turkey, and sovereign in all scopes, from the equipment to the personel to the ecosystem.
MMM-E
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Against Cruise Missiles , Kamikaze Drones , UCAVs
-- KORKUT
-- SUNGUR
-- ŞAHIN
-- TOLGA
-- GURZ
-- HISAR-A
Against Fighter Jets
-- GOKDEMIR
-- HISAR-O
-- SIPER
with SIPER-1 ( 100+ km ), we have achieved an air defense capability equivalent to SAMP-T against Fighter Jets
with SIPER-2 ( 150+ km ), we have achieved an air defense capability equivalent to PATRIOT against Fighter Jets
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Against Ballistic Missiles
SIPER-3/4/5 will have ballistic missile interception capabilities
SIPER-3
The SİPER anti-ballistic Missile, capable of intercepting short range ballistic missiles ( 300-500-700 km ) within the atmosphere (endoatmospheric), could be ready in 2028-2030 period ...... ( Similar to SAMP/T and PATRIOT PAC-3 )
SIPER-4/5
The most advanced SIPER anti ballistic Missiles, capable of intercepting MRBMs and IRBMs (1.000-3.000-5500 km) outside the atmosphere (exoatmospheric), with hit-to-kill capabilities, may be ready in 2030-2033 period ..... ( similar to the SM-3 and ARROW-3 )
Radars
Aselsan has these capabilities with ALP-300G , ALP-500G , ALP-600G early warning Radar projects
Roketsan CEO Murat İkinci mentioned Siper Block-3, 4, and 5 variants, which are included in the Steel Dome's development roadmap, for the first time.
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Tubitak SAGE and ROKETSAN have been developing subsystems and researching base technologies for years. Exoatmospheric interception capability will be introduced after 2030
The Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle (EKV)
High-resolution electro-optical/infrared seeker
Proportional navigation and inertial Systems
Solid and Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engines
TUBITAK-SAGE develops Divert Attitude Control System (DACS ) since 2019
DACS system designed to achieve this mission aerodynamic maneuvrings out of atmosphere.
Boost Phase
ROKETSAN and DELTA-V are working for rocket technologies propels the interceptor out of the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds
Critical systems and stages have been verified
-- Solid-Propellant Rocket Motor with Thrust Vector-Control feature
-- Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Aerodynamic hybrid control driven by Thrust Vector Control, and electromechanically controlled propulsion
-- Multiple firings in space by the Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engine
-- Precise orientation control in space environment
-- Inertial Precision Navigation based on national sensors and a national Global Positioning System Receiver
-- Capsule detachment in space
-- Various structural and chemical materials and advanced processing techniques
in 2020 , In this test, the Rocket reached an altitude of 136 km, surpassing the 100 km mark (Karman line) considered the boundary of space.
MMM-E
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Turkiye should develop high altitude Balloon ( 40 km altitude ) to detect even F-22/F-35 Fighter Jets from long distance
Similar to American HELIOS
The US Army's HELIOS stratospheric Balloon project is being developed specifically for Balloon Radar + ground Missile cueing
China and Russia are also working on the same concept (stratospheric Ballon + Radar + network).
IR Detection
F-35 Engine temperature is high .. detected from 300 km with a Balloon-type IR sensor (like those used in China)
Ground-based radars are at risk of being hit
But High altitude Ballon with AESA Radar will stay at altitude of 40 km ( air to air missiles - air defense systems almost can not able to hit high altitude Ballon )
1 -- The line-of-sight horizon of a Radar at an altitude of 40 km reaches approximately 700–800 km
2 -- AESA Radar + high altitude can detect even F-35 stealth Jets earlier and more clearly (look-down advantage) from 200+ km away
3 -- The Balloon transmits the tracks it detects in real time via SATCOM and high-power radio datalink, and this data goes directly to the command and control Center (Aselsan HAKIM) creating an "integrated air picture"
4 -- SİPER-2's architecture fully supports this network centric warfare capability
So the Balloon becomes the "eye," and the SIPER battery becomes the "weapon." When the SIPER Missile is launched, it receives mid-course guidance from the Balloon data, then makes a terminal strike with its own active RF seeker
This concept is already the future of modern air defense:
High-altitude sensor network + long-range active seeker Missiles
Similar to American HELIOS
The US Army's HELIOS stratospheric Balloon project is being developed specifically for Balloon Radar + ground Missile cueing
China and Russia are also working on the same concept (stratospheric Ballon + Radar + network).
IR Detection
F-35 Engine temperature is high .. detected from 300 km with a Balloon-type IR sensor (like those used in China)
Ground-based radars are at risk of being hit
But High altitude Ballon with AESA Radar will stay at altitude of 40 km ( air to air missiles - air defense systems almost can not able to hit high altitude Ballon )
1 -- The line-of-sight horizon of a Radar at an altitude of 40 km reaches approximately 700–800 km
2 -- AESA Radar + high altitude can detect even F-35 stealth Jets earlier and more clearly (look-down advantage) from 200+ km away
3 -- The Balloon transmits the tracks it detects in real time via SATCOM and high-power radio datalink, and this data goes directly to the command and control Center (Aselsan HAKIM) creating an "integrated air picture"
4 -- SİPER-2's architecture fully supports this network centric warfare capability
So the Balloon becomes the "eye," and the SIPER battery becomes the "weapon." When the SIPER Missile is launched, it receives mid-course guidance from the Balloon data, then makes a terminal strike with its own active RF seeker
This concept is already the future of modern air defense:
High-altitude sensor network + long-range active seeker Missiles
hyperman
MMM-E
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Yesterday , Iran detected and hit an American F-35 using its passive IR sensor
They even released a video taken with a FLIR System
Türkiye has turned to these technologies, and also with the ALP-400G V/UHF Radar project, it may be possible to detect F-35s
It is said that with the ALP-300G S-band Radar we can detect F-35s from 120+ km away, and if we can extend this to 40 km hight altitude Ballon ( high altitude Radar sensor + ground Missile cueing ) , we could turn F-35s into burnt birds.
Multispectral (Radar + IR + passive) sensors are now mandatory in modern Air Defense.
Aziqbal
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more than air defence Turkey needs its own satellite constellations for military
Pakistan is launching 54 satellites in the coming years even although they have access to Chinese satellites
but Pakistan knows it also needs its own military satellites
satellites are the eye and ears of modern warfare a nation without satellites is at the mercy of the aggressors
satellites rely information down to the units and it increases your reaction time allowing you to make vital decisions
Pakistan is launching 54 satellites in the coming years even although they have access to Chinese satellites
but Pakistan knows it also needs its own military satellites
satellites are the eye and ears of modern warfare a nation without satellites is at the mercy of the aggressors
satellites rely information down to the units and it increases your reaction time allowing you to make vital decisions
GoatsMilk
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I think this is already taking place.
MMM-E
Elite Member
Turkiye to launch 100 Satellites within 5 years and the ULUGBEY global positioning System
USA - GPS
Russia - GLONASS
China - BDS
European Union - GALILEO
Turkiye - ULUGBEY
Turkish firm launches its 2nd satellite into space
Turkish private space company, Fergani Space, founded by Baykar’s Selçuk Bayraktar, launched its second fully domestic satellite, FGN-100-D2, into...
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Observation Satellites : GOKTURK1 , GOKTURK-2 , IMECE and RASAT
SAR Satellite : GOKTURK-3
GOKTURK-1 Satellite captured images of four T-38M Jets belonging to the Air Force Command performing a flyover in tribute above the Çanakkale Martyrs' Monument.
Turkiye is now a Country that can design and manufacture sub-meter resolution electro-optical satellite Cameras domestically
The new GOKTURK-Y Satellite with 30 cm high resolution
Türkiye exported satellite Camera to Pakistan.
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These Countries largely developed both the Satellites and the sub-meter resolution (typically 0.3-1 m) electro-optical Camera using their own technology
USA , Russia , China , Turkiye , Israel , France , India , Japan , S.Korea
If we had the same capabilities and systems/radars with comparable specifications, we could at least reclaim control over operational data by supplying NATO only with information that is strictly necessary to defend NATO territory. Currently, the US has visibility on everything. If we had our own radars, we could decline to share missile data that is evidently not directed towards NATO territory....if you get what I mean. Currently, we have nothing even remotely comparable to AN/TPY-2.
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