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GoMig-21
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Mmm...what a beauty. But something fishy about this gorgeous aircraft.
Rise & shine time to make breakfast. That's a perfectly long dock just for carriers to have plenty of back-to-back docking space. I believe it's Bernice or Gharda2a (more commonly known as Hurghada)? lol
Looking for a spare M1A1 engine for overhaul, anyone?
You can see why they had issues with the OEM air filters the way they're placed at the rear of the tank like that and take up practically the entire width while they pick up the brunt of the dust kicked up by the tracks.
And with the amount of sand & dust prevalent in Egypt's desert terrain, it's no wonder they were forced to create their own, making it an all-around better filter which allows better air penetration. At the same time, it's preventing dust, sand build-up & clogging resulting in the crews having to change them a lot more frequently than usual. The US freaking out about not being told the Egyptian tank crews would be fabricating & installing their own, custom-made filters was probably shocking to the US teams lol. Tank brass that decided to fabricate & install those new Egyptian-made filters probably should've at least mentioned it to the US inspection teams lol.
The future unfortunately does not look good for the concept of 'attack helicopters'. It's already precarious as it is considering how easy it is to shoot them down now in today's battlefield terrains. We've seen blatant examples from Syria to Ukraine. MANPADS & detection/guidance technology is moving at such a rapid pace that there might not be any safe tactics for their primary role of CAS, rendering the platforms with essentially very limited usage. Attack helicopters need to get up close & personal when they're out destroying tanks and assisting the grunts on the ground. Top of the militaries are gonna have to make major adjustments and limit their platforms' roles to standoff ranges which works for jet fighters and barely a handful of other types of platforms, but not so much for attack helos.
We'll have to keep an eye on how the EAF adjusts to that unfortunate yet inevitable scenario in the next 5-10 years or so. Especially after investing what, close to $3 billion into that concept from the Mistrals and their combined workload to the Katrans and to a certain extent, the Apaches + all related logistics.
EAF C-130s delivering the goods to bros & siss' in Ghazza. It appears in some instances they're dropping off loads directly over the far & few buildings left standing by the savages.
UAE is also flying out of Cairo with one of its C-117 Globemaster (EAF should consider upgrading the Hercules to the 117s). Time to retire those old workhorses and get into the new, state of the art cargo transports.
Rise & shine time to make breakfast. That's a perfectly long dock just for carriers to have plenty of back-to-back docking space. I believe it's Bernice or Gharda2a (more commonly known as Hurghada)? lol
Looking for a spare M1A1 engine for overhaul, anyone?
You can see why they had issues with the OEM air filters the way they're placed at the rear of the tank like that and take up practically the entire width while they pick up the brunt of the dust kicked up by the tracks.
And with the amount of sand & dust prevalent in Egypt's desert terrain, it's no wonder they were forced to create their own, making it an all-around better filter which allows better air penetration. At the same time, it's preventing dust, sand build-up & clogging resulting in the crews having to change them a lot more frequently than usual. The US freaking out about not being told the Egyptian tank crews would be fabricating & installing their own, custom-made filters was probably shocking to the US teams lol. Tank brass that decided to fabricate & install those new Egyptian-made filters probably should've at least mentioned it to the US inspection teams lol.
The future unfortunately does not look good for the concept of 'attack helicopters'. It's already precarious as it is considering how easy it is to shoot them down now in today's battlefield terrains. We've seen blatant examples from Syria to Ukraine. MANPADS & detection/guidance technology is moving at such a rapid pace that there might not be any safe tactics for their primary role of CAS, rendering the platforms with essentially very limited usage. Attack helicopters need to get up close & personal when they're out destroying tanks and assisting the grunts on the ground. Top of the militaries are gonna have to make major adjustments and limit their platforms' roles to standoff ranges which works for jet fighters and barely a handful of other types of platforms, but not so much for attack helos.
We'll have to keep an eye on how the EAF adjusts to that unfortunate yet inevitable scenario in the next 5-10 years or so. Especially after investing what, close to $3 billion into that concept from the Mistrals and their combined workload to the Katrans and to a certain extent, the Apaches + all related logistics.
EAF C-130s delivering the goods to bros & siss' in Ghazza. It appears in some instances they're dropping off loads directly over the far & few buildings left standing by the savages.
UAE is also flying out of Cairo with one of its C-117 Globemaster (EAF should consider upgrading the Hercules to the 117s). Time to retire those old workhorses and get into the new, state of the art cargo transports.
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GoMig-21
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Good to see you too, my friend. It's nice having our grown men forum reunion/revival so to speak hahaha. Nice of you to remember the carvings. I'll get some pics of the red-tailed hawk and post them. Looking for an Emirati or a Qatari even an Omani who's comfortably wealthy and into Falconry and art. Those are the target clientele for this sort of artwork. Or Indian for that matter.
I know a few Indians who are not only artists, but super successful & wealthy art collectors who appreciate wildlife artwork. Even helicopter drones are fashionable these days.
And speaking of drones, the new Ahmous is looking pretty snazzy, man. We need to see them marketing these bad boys and get them out there like Turkey has done with the TB2.
The Oct. 6th is one of the weirder-looking ones they've come up with in that unique dual, forward & rear wing design. As long as it operates well, and my guess is that double forward rear top bottom wing setup is very efficient and generates a lot of lift. Usually, those ugly designs have a lot of practical benefits and will save on fuel and loiter for many hours.
I think they were license producing some of the Chinese missiles & rockets to arms these indigenous platforms. If they're doing that, they can easily start making their own even if they're just copies of Chinese munitions. Besides, our relationship with China is booming rapidly heck we might just see the J-10C at some point in the near future the way they're talking about all this.
This thing has always looked like a worm to me with the shape of that head lol. It seems to be finally maturing and produced in quantity. Would like to get some numbers on all of these homemade units.
The Algerians have made their units operational. Another one of those freaky looking drones with praying mantis wings and a worm head! So anyone know if this is a joint UAE/Algeria/Egypt platform with each user naming theirs differently? I ask just because June 30 seems like a very personally Egyptian name for obvious reasons.
Wingloong & C&C station?
It was pretty obvious that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan started the trend for MANPADs domination vs helicopters, followed by Syria where we also saw the attack helicopter's vulnerability and slow demise into Ukraine which has pretty much sealed the deal. The Russians started with their Mi-24s & 35s along with their deadly 28s but then scaled back considerably. They lost a few Ka-52s as well (granted some of those were from friendly fire) but they quickly realized they needed to minimize the helicopters' role and the troops from both sides suffered greatly in many instances because they didn't have proper CAS. How many tank columns from both sides but mostly Ukrainians were pummeled & ambushed and left to move in all those open grass & farmlands. And whenever we'd see a rare helo, it was flying max speed just to make it through the hot zone.
All that makes us wonder what the brass has in store for these bad boys as far as their combat doctrine? The only "relatively safe" CAS they can perform is with tanks & limited infantry. And it would depend on what the enemy position consists of. So intel will play its usual huge role.
SC, this Ka-52 in the pic above is one of the ones with folding wings. You can clearly see where the hinged connection for the rotor blades is with the wiring that connects both sides of that folding hinges. Plus, the wings are the longer ones (that's obvious too) which also fold for lower carrier storage. You wonder, they were slated to order 36 Katrans after this initial order of Alligators, right? Maybe they tricked everyone and ordered a mixed batch of the two already and just painted them in this desert camo with perhaps a moisture resistant undercoat or primer? Because this pretty much is a Katran with those 3 specific features. What do you think?
Reminds me of the US in Somalia and Black Hawk Down. That mission was planned to be executed in 45 minutes tops, and they had 3 covering layers of helicopters conducting that mission which ended up lasting something like 18+ hours. The US ended up losing 19 men KIA from Delta Force and Army Rangers combined. They even slaughtered 23 Pakistani soldiers who were part of the UN peacekeeping forces. It was actually horrible Pakistani death toll that forced the final push to bring in the US troops. So a lot of men died that day and during that conflict including hundreds (perhaps thousands) of Somalis. And it was those Somalis who brought down the two Blackhawks with the good old standard RPG-7. So it doesn't even take a million $ soldier trained in the latest & greatest operating the state-of-the-art Javelin ATGM/MANPADS, but rather a bunch of these determined, poor fellas.
And the US had a variety of helos on that mission. From Chinooks to Mi-8s the Pakistanis were using I believe, to Little Birds Delta was operating to the Black Hawks that weren't really attack helos and mostly transport performing rope drops. But the ones that were tasked with cover fire manned Gatling guns and they were at a higher elevation and even they were under fire from RPGs. The top units also flying Blackhawks at a higher altitude than the other two were commanding movement on the ground between a HUMVEE column, the troops and the two BH crash sites.
The race has actually begun a while back between UCAVs and heaps of powerful suicide drones.
perhaps why the Mi-24 & Mi-35 are the ultimate designs. They're considered dual role, transport & limited attack but conquered the battlefield almost as effectively as the AK-47, the RPG-7 and maybe the MiG-21. Although the latter item is a tall order to match. But those 3 classics are revolutionary creations by the Russians that we'll never see the likes of again in our lifetime.
The SC
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The SU-75 might become in our era..the new Mig-21 on steroids and with a stealth design on top of it..Good to see you too, my friend. It's nice having our grown men forum reunion/revival so to speak hahaha. Nice of you to remember the carvings. I'll get some pics of the red-tailed hawk and post them. Looking for an Emirati or a Qatari even an Omani who's comfortably wealthy and into Falconry and art. Those are the target clientele for this sort of artwork. Or Indian for that matter.
Even helicopter drones are fashionable these days.
And speaking of drones, the new Ahmous is looking pretty snazzy, man. We need to see them marketing these bad boys and get them out there like Turkey has done with the TB2.
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The Oct. 6th is one of the weirder-looking ones they've come up with in that unique dual, forward & rear wing design. As long as it operates well, and my guess is that double forward rear top bottom wing setup is very efficient and generates a lot of lift. Usually, those ugly designs have a lot of practical benefits and will save on fuel and loiter for many hours.
View attachment 27510
I think they were license producing some of the Chinese missiles & rockets to arms these indigenous platforms. If they're doing that, they can easily start making their own even if they're just copies of Chinese munitions. Besides, our relationship with China is booming rapidly heck we might just see the J-10C at some point in the near future the way they're talking about all this.
This thing has always looked like a worm to me with the shape of that head lol. It seems to be finally maturing and produced in quantity. Would like to get some numbers on all of these homemade units.
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The Algerians have made their units operational. Another one of those freaky looking drones with praying mantis wings and a worm head! So anyone know if this is a joint UAE/Algeria/Egypt platform with each user naming theirs differently? I ask just because June 30 seems like a very personally Egyptian name for obvious reasons.
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Wingloong & C&C station?
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It was pretty obvious that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan started the trend for MANPADs domination vs helicopters, followed by Syria where we also saw the attack helicopter's vulnerability and slow demise into Ukraine which has pretty much sealed the deal. The Russians started with their Mi-24s & 35s along with their deadly 28s but then scaled back considerably. They lost a few Ka-52s as well (granted some of those were from friendly fire) but they quickly realized they needed to minimize the helicopters' role and the troops from both sides suffered greatly in many instances because they didn't have proper CAS. How many tank columns from both sides but mostly Ukrainians were pummeled & ambushed and left to move in all those open grass & farmlands. And whenever we'd see a rare helo, it was flying max speed just to make it through the hot zone.
All that makes us wonder what the brass has in store for these bad boys as far as their combat doctrine? The only "relatively safe" CAS they can perform is with tanks & limited infantry. And it would depend on what the enemy position consists of. So intel will play its usual huge role.
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SC, this Ka-52 in the pic above is one of the ones with folding wings. You can clearly see where the hinged connection for the rotor blades is with the wiring that connects both sides of that folding hinges. Plus, the wings are the longer ones (that's obvious too) which also fold for lower carrier storage. You wonder, they were slated to order 36 Katrans after this initial order of Alligators, right? Maybe they tricked everyone and ordered a mixed batch of the two already and just painted them in this desert camo with perhaps a moisture resistant undercoat or primer? Because this pretty much is a Katran with those 3 specific features. What do you think?
Reminds me of the US in Somalia and Black Hawk Down. That mission was planned to be executed in 45 minutes tops, and they had 3 covering layers of helicopters conducting that mission which ended up lasting something like 18+ hours. The US ended up losing 19 men KIA from Delta Force and Army Rangers combined. They even slaughtered 23 Pakistani soldiers who were part of the UN peacekeeping forces. It was actually horrible Pakistani death toll that forced the final push to bring in the US troops. So a lot of men died that day and during that conflict including hundreds (perhaps thousands) of Somalis. And it was those Somalis who brought down the two Blackhawks with the good old standard RPG-7. So it doesn't even take a million $ soldier trained in the latest & greatest operating the state-of-the-art Javelin ATGM/MANPADS, but rather a bunch of these determined, poor fellas.
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And the US had a variety of helos on that mission. From Chinooks to Mi-8s the Pakistanis were using I believe, to Little Birds Delta was operating to the Black Hawks that weren't really attack helos and mostly transport performing rope drops. But the ones that were tasked with cover fire manned Gatling guns and they were at a higher elevation and even they were under fire from RPGs. The top units also flying Blackhawks at a higher altitude than the other two were commanding movement on the ground between a HUMVEE column, the troops and the two BH crash sites.
The race has actually begun a while back between UCAVs and heaps of powerful suicide drones.
perhaps why the Mi-24 & Mi-35 are the ultimate designs. They're considered dual role, transport & limited attack but conquered the battlefield almost as effectively as the AK-47, the RPG-7 and maybe the MiG-21. Although the latter item is a tall order to match. But those 3 classics are revolutionary creations by the Russians that we'll never see the likes of again in our lifetime.
Reshaped lately
In a video posted in this thread it was stated that the Europeans were very surprised of the scope of the Egyptian drones program saying it was very varied and bigger than even that of turkey!.. and mostly surprised by its secrecy.. given that some drones that appeared in the EDEX 2023 were a total surprise..
One of the best Turkish drones that Egypt, KSA and the UAE have bought with ToT recently is the Akinci..with that worm-like shape too..
Nilgiri
INT'L MOD
Good to see you too, my friend. It's nice having our grown men forum reunion/revival so to speak hahaha. Nice of you to remember the carvings. I'll get some pics of the red-tailed hawk and post them. Looking for an Emirati or a Qatari even an Omani who's comfortably wealthy and into Falconry and art. Those are the target clientele for this sort of artwork. Or Indian for that matter.
Even helicopter drones are fashionable these days.
And speaking of drones, the new Ahmous is looking pretty snazzy, man. We need to see them marketing these bad boys and get them out there like Turkey has done with the TB2.
View attachment 27508
The Oct. 6th is one of the weirder-looking ones they've come up with in that unique dual, forward & rear wing design. As long as it operates well, and my guess is that double forward rear top bottom wing setup is very efficient and generates a lot of lift. Usually, those ugly designs have a lot of practical benefits and will save on fuel and loiter for many hours.
View attachment 27510
I think they were license producing some of the Chinese missiles & rockets to arms these indigenous platforms. If they're doing that, they can easily start making their own even if they're just copies of Chinese munitions. Besides, our relationship with China is booming rapidly heck we might just see the J-10C at some point in the near future the way they're talking about all this.
This thing has always looked like a worm to me with the shape of that head lol. It seems to be finally maturing and produced in quantity. Would like to get some numbers on all of these homemade units.
View attachment 27511
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The Algerians have made their units operational. Another one of those freaky looking drones with praying mantis wings and a worm head! So anyone know if this is a joint UAE/Algeria/Egypt platform with each user naming theirs differently? I ask just because June 30 seems like a very personally Egyptian name for obvious reasons.
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Wingloong & C&C station?
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It was pretty obvious that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan started the trend for MANPADs domination vs helicopters, followed by Syria where we also saw the attack helicopter's vulnerability and slow demise into Ukraine which has pretty much sealed the deal. The Russians started with their Mi-24s & 35s along with their deadly 28s but then scaled back considerably. They lost a few Ka-52s as well (granted some of those were from friendly fire) but they quickly realized they needed to minimize the helicopters' role and the troops from both sides suffered greatly in many instances because they didn't have proper CAS. How many tank columns from both sides but mostly Ukrainians were pummeled & ambushed and left to move in all those open grass & farmlands. And whenever we'd see a rare helo, it was flying max speed just to make it through the hot zone.
All that makes us wonder what the brass has in store for these bad boys as far as their combat doctrine? The only "relatively safe" CAS they can perform is with tanks & limited infantry. And it would depend on what the enemy position consists of. So intel will play its usual huge role.
View attachment 27515
SC, this Ka-52 in the pic above is one of the ones with folding wings. You can clearly see where the hinged connection for the rotor blades is with the wiring that connects both sides of that folding hinges. Plus, the wings are the longer ones (that's obvious too) which also fold for lower carrier storage. You wonder, they were slated to order 36 Katrans after this initial order of Alligators, right? Maybe they tricked everyone and ordered a mixed batch of the two already and just painted them in this desert camo with perhaps a moisture resistant undercoat or primer? Because this pretty much is a Katran with those 3 specific features. What do you think?
Reminds me of the US in Somalia and Black Hawk Down. That mission was planned to be executed in 45 minutes tops, and they had 3 covering layers of helicopters conducting that mission which ended up lasting something like 18+ hours. The US ended up losing 19 men KIA from Delta Force and Army Rangers combined. They even slaughtered 23 Pakistani soldiers who were part of the UN peacekeeping forces. It was actually horrible Pakistani death toll that forced the final push to bring in the US troops. So a lot of men died that day and during that conflict including hundreds (perhaps thousands) of Somalis. And it was those Somalis who brought down the two Blackhawks with the good old standard RPG-7. So it doesn't even take a million $ soldier trained in the latest & greatest operating the state-of-the-art Javelin ATGM/MANPADS, but rather a bunch of these determined, poor fellas.
View attachment 27506
And the US had a variety of helos on that mission. From Chinooks to Mi-8s the Pakistanis were using I believe, to Little Birds Delta was operating to the Black Hawks that weren't really attack helos and mostly transport performing rope drops. But the ones that were tasked with cover fire manned Gatling guns and they were at a higher elevation and even they were under fire from RPGs. The top units also flying Blackhawks at a higher altitude than the other two were commanding movement on the ground between a HUMVEE column, the troops and the two BH crash sites.
The race has actually begun a while back between UCAVs and heaps of powerful suicide drones.
perhaps why the Mi-24 & Mi-35 are the ultimate designs. They're considered dual role, transport & limited attack but conquered the battlefield almost as effectively as the AK-47, the RPG-7 and maybe the MiG-21. Although the latter item is a tall order to match. But those 3 classics are revolutionary creations by the Russians that we'll never see the likes of again in our lifetime.
Extra bonus is all the useful great info to gain on Egypt from you, defence sector or more broadly lol.
A country that has always fascinated and impressed me so much....right from its ancient civilisation era up to modern day. Nile river as last great hope, the literal sustenance of life.... in the middle of so much desert lol....its so unique thing if you think about it.
I always have had a good set of Egyptian friends from school to uni to middle age now lol. That's large part of my continuing interest, these guys have good sense of humour and they have good taste on lot of things of mutual interest that gained my respect. I always wish Egypt the best....it should progress more and become good stabilising force in region commensurate to its size.
@The SC you are Arab too right? Which country you from out of interest?
Sami_1
Registered Member
There are changes in arms imports. For example, no one can know the size of the real deals signed with the Russians for very simple reasons: agreements in the years 2013/2014.
It simply included technology transfer and licensing agreements for local production
The Egyptians reached agreements with the Russians, which are simply that they bought a batch of weapons, and the Russians set up arms factories in Egypt to assemble what is purchased and then increase the manufacturing rates later, and this includes aircraft.
The family of drones are powered by domestically manufactured engines, although the engines are controlled by the United States and their purchases are restricted internationally through Canadians, Austrians, and Australians.
That is, we will simply explain with a simple example: Did Egypt buy 3 S-300V/4 batteries? What was the first deal announced? The Israelis mentioned in a 2021 report that Egypt had 8 batteries.
The Israelis stated that Egypt had already requested 50 MIG-29M/M2 aircraft and 50 MIG-35 aircraft, and the Egyptians had requested 30 SU-35 aircraft and 30 SU-57 aircraft. The Israelis, in a 2021 report, stated that Egypt had not received MIG-35/SU-57 aircraft.
The same applies to the T-90MS tanks. What information is leaking is that Egypt requested modifications to Russian tanks and the Russians have already completed the required modifications, contrary to rumors that there have already been deliveries. Mystery does not mean that they have not been implemented. There are things that many do not discover easily.
Israel, from 1980 to the present day, has acquired 400 F-16 aircraft in various versions.
Israel has acquired about 200 new and used F-15 aircraft since 1975.
Therefore, what is announced or appears on the surface is the tip of the iceberg
We come to the point where Egypt bought Turkish drones. Historically, Egypt requested ANKA in 2012 on the condition that the mission computer be manufactured in Egypt. Simply put, Egypt diversifies component purchases from more than one source so that they do not fall under the control of one party. It manufactures ARGOS-II under a license from us to Germany, and German exports are restricted.
Even as German companies tend to escape government restrictions by establishing factories and production lines in South Africa, or even MAN vehicles that Egypt obtains from countries that produce them from Germany with a license away from German restrictions.
Egypt had a program to produce a 500+ payload drone. It is believed that Egypt produced the WING LOONG II drone with a license, and Sudan announced its appearance in Sudan, simply believing it to be from the local production line in Egypt.
Egypt obtained from the Germans the transfer of the manufacture of CNC machines to Egypt in exchange for arms purchases from Germany to increase the rates of manufacturing components and equipment in Egypt.
Egypt has always played the game of buying weapons from countries and producing them with the help of other countries for many years
Or accept the production of submarines of medium performance and capabilities, such as the TYPE-209, within certain technical limits, while transferring the technology through other countries to develop it and raise its performance. The West knows this and accepts it as companies so as not to lose markets away from Western government restrictions.
There is an important point: the Egyptian army is a huge and very large army, which requires huge quantities of weapons. When Egypt rehabilitates 16 ports and wants to increase the number of Egyptian ports to 21 ports, most of which are military and civil, this simply means that Egypt must produce huge quantities in the Egyptian arsenals, so find agreements. In light corvettes with the German Lursen, light landing ships with the Turks, OPV ships with the Koreans, and negotiations for a package of new corvettes. It is believed that the Italian Frame Bergamini deal has already been signed, meaning that only a deal for light frigates/corvettes remains.
Unmanned drone systems are expanding tremendously
Attack helicopters still have a role, but they will operate through separate weapon systems
Unmanned systems such as drones are expanding tremendously
Attack helicopters still have a role, but they will operate through separate weapon systems
The standard range of the anti-tank guided missile will not be 8 kilometers, but rather 16-35 as a basic missile. The Chinese produced the JK-2 missile with a weight of 50 kilograms and a range of 35 kilometers, and for many years they have been promoting the CM-502AKG missile with a range of 25 kilometers, that is, simply Hellfire missiles that no one is asking for.
The South Korean TAipers missile is intended to replace the TOW missile with a range of 10 kilometers, and the range is expected to increase for the launched version of the helicopter.
That is, attack helicopters will simply be equipped with long-range ammunition
The KA-52 aircraft are equipped with KH-35/31 missiles with ranges of 130-260 km, that is, simply outside the targeting range. The same will be provided with MUM-T drones with a range starting from 60 km.
Egypt's possession of a minimum of 150 attack helicopters is important, even with the incorporation of hundreds of drones. The United States simply canceled the FAAR program in any case due to the enormous cost and was confused by an American General Atomics Mojave drone whose price is $32 million, i.e. higher than the price of the Z-10ME & KA. 52 In addition to the fact that it already has 820 AH-64 aircraft,
And 189 Bell AH-1Z Viper aircraft, in addition to other aircraft
This supports a mix between attack helicopters and drones of varying performance and different capabilities. Egypt considers that countries’ capabilities depend on possessing unmanned systems in huge quantities due to benefiting from the Russia-Ukraine war. Armies have become dependent on thousands of quadcopter aircraft with different capabilities and thousands of UCAV & MINI aircraft. During the next ten years, hundreds of HALE & UCAV aircraft with payloads of more than 2 tons will invade the armies.
GoMig-21
Elite Member
Nilgiri, I merely exist as an insignificant spec within your veritable shadows, my friend hahaha, you're too kind my good brother, too kind.
Indeed. If you take a quick sweeping glimpse at Egypt's brief, modern history starting from the turn of the 20th century on through the first 2 decades of the 21st (which brings us a few years shy of current time), the country has been mired in significant & altering events pretty much throughout that whole time. Independence from British colonialism to a corrupt & failed monarchy to being the primary country caught hosting the final battle of WWII's African campaign between two of the major powers of WWII and then, almost by default having to fend off arguably the most impacting result of WWII in the creation of the Jewish state which has since brought on decades of setbacks that resulted in fighting one war after the other. Nothing is more of a setback than a war. Now multiply that by 5 major wars and then sprinkle those with a couple of revolutions and a gruesome stretch of foreign & domestic terrorism which was followed by a permeation of that terror and more wars on unimaginable scales throughout this volatile region. Add a record=paced surging population that unfortunately is struggling with the debilitating handicap of poverty.
All of that combined with so much more has had a profound impact on the development of the country.
Personally, I think that in many ways, the country fell victim to its own faults & flaws, as well, once the victors of WWII introduced a new, largely unwelcomed resident in the neighborhood who then proceeded to implement his plans of expansion at the unimaginable cost to a member of the Umah.
As Egyptians, we should've adjusted to the long-term implications of challenging that expansion in the right way, but we didn't. We failed miserably and that has led to paying the heavy price of stagnation and slow development. But there are no excuses anymore. It should all be much easier to succeed ISA. We just need to put our foot forward and geterdone! Interestingly enough, that's exactly what Sisi has been doing for the last 10 years. Perhaps we're finally on the right track.
BTW, all of that crap is obviously not mutually exclusive to Egypt or the Arab Umah as a whole. There are countless examples of similar, even harder struggles that many other nations have had to endure. India being a perfect example and one that exemplifies succeeding despite the challenges it has faced. To be one of the top economies in this current world we live in after enduring a century similar and even more difficult than that of Egypt is a testament to its strength and power. And believe me, majority of Egyptians recognize that fact which is why we've seen a major outreach between both countries to improve relations and take things to next step. I was really rooting for the TEJAS project to come through! Oh well, there will be others ISA.
Speaking Tejas, another one of those endeavors has been also in our favorite field, the military sector. Not sure if you've followed the recent interactions the two countries have had, but India participated in Bright Star exercise for the first time (I think) just this past year. And it did so with a big bang, bringing one of its IL-76 tankers and a few MiG-29s and I think a huge paratroopers jump. I had posted a bunch of pics in the old forum and a good portion of them were from these special forces exercise that were held in both countries. These guys do it right. We had a great discussion of some of the pics of them breaching a building and how they were working together and some of the things that perhaps they were of weren't executing correctly (since we're the top experts in all mil. fields LOL) and we busted their balls big time.
We also gave credit where it was due, and I just saw this pic these which made me think - these fellas def. look like they are not to be messed with, weapons or none.Between the Indian & Egyptian soldiers, you can clearly see this was no cakewalk getting into these units. Just the grueling, physical & screening aspects during tryouts of these SOFs units must be out of this world. You can easily tell just by looking not only at their physical makeup, but their posture. I posted the link just in case the pic doesn't show up since it's a large file.
Some nice weapons there too. I remember we spotted a few micro-Uzis and Sigs (and some others I forget) with the Indian soldiers while the Egyptian Sa'aka troops were carrying primarily M4s. Here I see what looks to be long-barrel SIG556s and short-barreled SIG552s with some of the Indian fellas. I do think it might be time for Sa'aka to move on from that that spotted camo uniforms. It must work really well since they seem to like it and have been using it since the early '70s IIRC.
Seems like they could do better than those dark, brown blotches on that mustard sand, but that's just me.
Couldn't have said it any better, nor could I agree with you more. You'll also find that sentiment to be the general consensus across the board. With its unparalleled, ancient & biblical history it could do so much more with its tourist industry than it already has -- no thanks to its involvement in countless horrible wars -- but I think much more of the world is getting a better shot at seeing & studying the wonders of ancient Egypt and our buddy @Hamartia Antidote had opened a neat thread on the old forum just a couple of months prior to the end of it and we got into the real nitty gritty on not just the different theories of the pyramids' construction methods, but a lot of related subject from the architecture and tooling theories and so many other mind-blowing things. We went ballistic on that bad Larry and I'm hoping Ant archived the thread or saved it somehow. I was going to ask him on the Team USA thread but forgot. Maybe he'll see this tag and let us know. Worse case we can start a new one, but point is I think you would dig it BIG TIME. Knowing a little about your general interests, I think you'll jump in head first and have a lot of fun contributing. Ant, did you save or archive any of that thread by any chance?
At the conclusion of the 2nd Indian/Egyptian Special Operations Forces Exercise Hurricane-2, they went over some of the new cool toys they'll be sharing and using in the future for future operations. Who wouldn't want one of these with a 50-cal mounted on the windshield like that?
Hamartia Antidote
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Glad to see you here bro!
I left so many directions on your old profile telling you where we are.
I only archived the Team USA thread....which has come in handy as it has your old stats. You may even be able to grab your avatar pic.
You can ask them to copy the old stats back to you..so you don't have to be naked! LOL!
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They are all over. About 10 years ago my neighbor said she was down the street at the elementary school area walking her dog late at night and a bunch of them were running around the kids play area. I saw one 10 years ago standing by the side of the road one night only a few 100 meters from my...
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GoMig-21
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Glad to see you here bro!
I left so many directions on your old profile telling you where we are.
No no no, pleasure is mine, my friend! When I first got on TeamUSA, my first reaction was where the heck is Ant!? When I saw your posts I was psyched, BUT...... then I see this majestic figure from a post that was tagging me and soon realized it was the
G.O.A.T. @Nilgiri the superstar and I just had to bow my head, ala Japanese style. It was like walking into a reunion with long lost friends only to notice Robert Dinero is there! I left so many directions on your old profile telling you where we are.
I only archived the Team USA thread....which has come in handy as it has your old stats. You may even be able to grab your avatar pic.
You can ask them to copy the old stats back to you..so you don't have to be naked! LOL!
Team USA
They are all over. About 10 years ago my neighbor said she was down the street at the elementary school area walking her dog late at night and a bunch of them were running around the kids play area. I saw one 10 years ago standing by the side of the road one night only a few 100 meters from my...web.archive.org
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I forgot what my avatar was! That's one of the better one's thanks for the link.
So does that mean the old forum is still active or not anymore? I tried logging in but it wouldn't let me.
Funny you mentioned the stats; I was thinking how silly it is for someone my age to be worried about restoring those things loool. I mean seriously, to be in your late 50's on a defense forum and crying about 8K posts and 11 reactions scores is about as lame & vane as can be...............................................but it's true! LOL Dammit @WebMaster!
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Heh, that was me in disguise scoping and scouting the forum a bit for nostalgic and finger to the wind purpose. The chess set stuff (and bringing up the bird carvings again). Long story on the why I had to do anonymous acct stuff like that (given earlier detections by one sleuth with real axe to grind on me, who thankfully isnt around here anymore it looks like)....but that was fun seeing you and hamartia going strong in that little corner of the forum heh. Some stuff never changes.
Then the whole forum starts to wrap up and end etc for the reasons I mention in the new Team USA thread....and I got a clear opening to restart on this one finally lol. Who knew good things come to those that are patient and resilient enough.
Anyway I have to more measuredly go through your reply above again a bit later. I really "get" Egypt's dilemma and situation....these have been some long chats with my buds over the years.
But you know, the people will come through, they love good cultural stuff lol....and very cognisant of their long history. If people have this taste, affinity and recognition of long roots and why and what that all is, they are a rock in the end....and will see things through, they will just get natural weathered over time, thats all.
In old documentary about Egypt in 20th century (or maybe it was a large Nasser bio I watched, I forgot)....all kind of interesting details stood out to me past the narration. In one part I distinctly remember a yesteryear bollywood poster for a movie being broadcast lol, this was in 1950s egypt I think ( around time of suez crisis)....I recognised the actress even, she (Vyjanthimala) is from my neck of the woods in the south of India lol. So little things like that always confirmed to me Egyptian people will get along with all other folks and solve all their problems over time, if you give them a chance and bring opportunity to them....hear them out and they will hear you out.... and they give you repsect if you give them respect etc.
Even in Rome TV series, I remember one legionnary starting to mock and insult Egypt, and his buddy looks at him and chides him with "Egypt was great long before Rome ever existed"....or something like that. The nature of those words always stuck in my head lol.
That to me is Egypt heh. So a civilisation this long means you will persevere and see through all the problems you have. No worries bro.....but of course real solutions and work needs to be put in by those in positions to do so.
GoMig-21
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I knew it was someone behind that relentless pushing of your buttons, I just never knew who it was and who cares at this point. We have a saying in Arabic like you alluded to "In'Allahu ma'a al sabereen" God is with those who are patient. That's mostly to do with major tests one goes through and being steadfast with patience as He will come through. It's certainly not referring to waiting in line at the bank loool.
Yeah Ant is gonna need to reopen that thread on the Pyramids & Ancient Egyptian marvels. We had something like 30 pages of intense info & videos in a short time and we still didn't even scratch the surface of the inexplainable that was going on then. That tends to give credence to the 'aliens' theory which is a whole other ball game in of itself.
You know, I was just as fascinated when I visited the Red Fortress & the Taj Mahal. India has its own historic marks on world wonders without question.
Meh, don't feel obligated, ma bro. You know how we get once we get going. Typing fingers can barely keep up with one's thoughts loool. It's mostly gibberish anyway.
Ok, so that means they must've had major plans for this acquisition, right? As far as we know and like you said, the initial plan was to purchase 50 of these M/M2s followed by a subsequent order of 50 MiG-35s. But as we well know, the Russians weren't able to fully produce the Zhuk-AE AESA radar as promised, thus leaving the EAF stuck with the current Zhuk-ME Pulse Doppler radar. Then there is the disaster with the 30 ordered Su-35S' (which we won't get into the details of what actually happened because of major disagreements amongst us all concerning that). Either way, the fact remains that the order wasn't fulfilled, and the jets have NOT been delivered. That leaves the EAF with frankly, a crappy situation. What are the current plans to add/improve to these beauties? Any idea?
You also seem to be in agreement with the changing role of attack helicopters which also begs the question I had posed about the EAF Apaches & Alligators. Using them in COIN operations in heavily populated areas in Sinai worked out well for them, especially the Apaches and even in open terrain. Despite terrorist vermin still possessing RPG-7s and even Kornets and the helicopters facing serious threats, they've done ok all things considered. I'm sure they learned a huge lesson when one of the only 4 VIP sand painted Blackhawks was blasted on the ground during the minister of defense's visit to Al Arish.
If I'm not mistaken they were also escorted by Apaches at the time and hunted down those scum. Not sure what transpired with that but just goes to show the vulnerability of helicopters at any point in time.
And speaking of Alligators, here's a cool pic of a selected AC to undergo hazardous chemical cleanup. Something you don't see too often but we've seen the Army & Air Force take this aspect very seriously with numerous types of platforms, especially tanks. Notice the custom engine air intake & exhaust protective covers.
Haven't seen much of these AW-149s SAR helos lately. They were really busy during the Libya floods along with the Chinooks.
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“Rafale” arrives to the French Air Force to be updated to the F4.1 standard
The French Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) received two Rafale B two-seat aircraft at the Dassault Aviation site in Mérignac, to upgrade them to the F4.1 standard.
These two aircraft are part of a larger group that includes 40 Rafale aircraft, 28 of which are tranche 4, and 12 were ordered in 2021 to replace those that were transferred to Greece.
The Rafale F4.1 standard features many improvements compared to the original F3R standard, the most important of which are:
These updates represent an important step towards enhancing the capabilities of the French Air Force, as all of its Rafale aircraft will be updated to comply with the F4.1 standard.
The entire batch is scheduled to be delivered by the end of 2025, and plans are underway to deliver 13 more Rafale aircraft in 2024.
The Rafale program is led by Dassault Aviation, with the participation of Safran Engines, Thales Radar Systems, and other companies such as Safran Group and MBDA.
The “Rafale” is a multi-mission combat aircraft characterized by high capabilities in air combat and ground bombardment, and has proven its efficiency in many military operations.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/rafale-f4-1-standard-french-air-force-successfully/
*** This is why I was thinking the Egyptian new Rafale batch will be the 4.1 standard.. since it is ready and already tested..
The French Directorate General of Armaments (DGA) received two Rafale B two-seat aircraft at the Dassault Aviation site in Mérignac, to upgrade them to the F4.1 standard.
These two aircraft are part of a larger group that includes 40 Rafale aircraft, 28 of which are tranche 4, and 12 were ordered in 2021 to replace those that were transferred to Greece.
The Rafale F4.1 standard features many improvements compared to the original F3R standard, the most important of which are:
- Integration of the Scorpion helmet viewfinder
- Improvements in the fire control system for using the “Meteor” missile.
- Developing passive threat detection algorithms
- Enhancing data exchange capabilities between Rafale aircraft.
- Integration of GPS- and laser-guided AASM weapons
- Enhance protection against electronic threats
- Updating major sensors such as “THALOS”, “OSIRAS” and “RPE 2”.
These updates represent an important step towards enhancing the capabilities of the French Air Force, as all of its Rafale aircraft will be updated to comply with the F4.1 standard.
The entire batch is scheduled to be delivered by the end of 2025, and plans are underway to deliver 13 more Rafale aircraft in 2024.
The Rafale program is led by Dassault Aviation, with the participation of Safran Engines, Thales Radar Systems, and other companies such as Safran Group and MBDA.
The “Rafale” is a multi-mission combat aircraft characterized by high capabilities in air combat and ground bombardment, and has proven its efficiency in many military operations.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/rafale-f4-1-standard-french-air-force-successfully/
*** This is why I was thinking the Egyptian new Rafale batch will be the 4.1 standard.. since it is ready and already tested..
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