Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Iran hasn't played the Bab El-Mandeb card yet. Once that card is played as well, Europe will temporarily lose close to 90% of its major trade with the Orient.
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Iran has to potentially worry about how China feels about the Bab al Mandab strait being closed off- its a big trading nation afeterall, but i guess Houthis and Iran can give China its own "bab al mandab strait pass", like it did in the strait of hormuz.
Just saying that more countries might react if bab al mandate is closed, but they might have no alternative, houthis control it when amd how they want when they choose into.
If bab al Mandal strait gets closed by houthis while hormuz is locked, Trump won't be able to get oil below $150 per barrel no matter what his dumb self does.
 
Update:

Israel don't want to end this war until they capture major chunk of Lebanon so they ignore Trump and started to attack major power generation plants in Iran......Developing story....Clearly a sabotage act by Israel.
 
Israel responds to missile salvo by hitting Tehran, Shiraz, and Isfahan tonite
 
Musings said:
Indians are absolutely devastated about this. Any sane nation would be relieved at a glimpse of peace - not India. Weirdest nation at the best of times
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Right.
Sometimes many pages ago, an Indian PDF guy here was saying how India's Foreign Minister could engineer peace during this war given India's friendly ties with Iran, Israel and the Arab World. I tried to question his delusion but he didn't believe me, looking at his response to me. That's all in this thread!
Indians are seriously deluded about their importance in the world. They are basically a 'Banya' (Mercantile) nation and should just stick with that--geopolitics is not their forte. And no Iranian should ever trust them beyond making trade-commerice to benefit Iran.
 
925boy said:
Iran has to potentially worry about how China feels about the Bab al Mandab strait being closed off- its a big trading nation afeterall, but i guess Houthis and Iran can give China its own "bab al mandab strait pass", like it did in the strait of hormuz.
Just saying that more countries might react if bab al mandate is closed, but they might have no alternative, houthis control it when amd how they want when they choose into.
If bab al Mandal strait gets closed by houthis while hormuz is locked, Trump won't be able to get oil below $150 per barrel no matter what his dumb self does.
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What for? China did not veto Bahrain's last proposal to the UNSC against Iran and it's a fair guess to say that it will not veto the new one either.
 
ShapurII said:
Can somebody summarize US 15-point and Iran's 6 point demands here?
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US Core demands (confirmed across multiple sources)

These are the main pillars repeated in credible reporting:
  1. Dismantle Iran’s nuclear program
  2. Permanently renounce nuclear weapons
  3. Zero uranium enrichment on Iranian soil
  4. Hand over or neutralize enriched uranium stockpiles
  5. Strict international inspections (IAEA oversight)
  6. Limit or halt ballistic missile development
  7. End support for proxy groups (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis)
  8. Stop funding regional militias
  9. Regional arms limitations
Expanded conditions (from latest leaks / Axios-style reporting)

Additional conditions reportedly included:

10. Freeze missile development programs
11. Dismantle key nuclear facilities
12. Tight control over centrifuge activity
13. Broader regional de-escalation commitments
14. Long-term verification mechanisms

What about the “15th demand”?
  • Reports say “14 of 15 demands” were disclosed, but one remains unclear or undisclosed
  • It’s likely tied to long-term enforcement / guarantees, but not confirmed publicly

Iran’s demands (commonly summarized as ~6 positions)

Iran has not issued a single official numbered list, but across Reuters, Axios, and other reports, its position boils down to roughly these:

Iran’s core demands / red lines
  1. Right to uranium enrichment must be preserved
  2. Talks limited only to nuclear issues (no missiles, no proxies)
  3. Full sanctions relief (especially oil and financial sanctions)
  4. Access to frozen assets and ability to export oil
  5. Recognition of peaceful nuclear program rights
  6. No preconditions or coercion (no military pressure during talks)
 
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