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[Ak01]

I thought JCF is supposed to be ASW frigates? Probably another brilliant short sighted decision if they plan to put it on JCF

lets see, costs are always the killer of capabilities. I wonder whether PN's Babur class was also a cost issue, because they could have atleast accommodated another 6-12 missiles in the rear. They also deleted the RHIB recovery system. I dont THINK the Ada's were equipped with ASW kit like that, purely just a torpedo defense system.

JCF seems to be a multi mission frigate, which could very well mean they skip out on bits like ASW stuff, particularly since the PN seemingly prefers heliborne/airborne asw. Man, they must really trust the SOSUS network.

 

[T80UD]

lets see, costs are always the killer of capabilities. I wonder whether PN's Babur class was also a cost issue, because they could have atleast accommodated another 6-12 missiles in the rear. They also deleted the RHIB recovery system. I dont THINK the Ada's were equipped with ASW kit like that, purely just a torpedo defense system.

JCF seems to be a multi mission frigate, which could very well mean they skip out on bits like ASW stuff, particularly since the PN seemingly prefers heliborne/airborne asw. Man, they must really trust the SOSUS network.

It makes me wonder why the PN never expanded on the Azmat class to make a class of ASW corvettes sorta like the Turks have done with the Tuzla class.

 

[rafale]

lets see, costs are always the killer of capabilities. I wonder whether PN's Babur class was also a cost issue, because they could have atleast accommodated another 6-12 missiles in the rear. They also deleted the RHIB recovery system. I dont THINK the Ada's were equipped with ASW kit like that, purely just a torpedo defense system.

JCF seems to be a multi mission frigate, which could very well mean they skip out on bits like ASW stuff, particularly since the PN seemingly prefers heliborne/airborne asw. Man, they must really trust the SOSUS network.

But isn't something like CAMM-ER integratable as a retrofit on existing vessels? So perhaps PN can pick decent amount of missiles later when funds are available.

 

[Ak01]

It makes me wonder why the PN never expanded on the Azmat class to make a class of ASW corvettes sorta like the Turks have done with the Tuzla class.

The problem is, we dont really have much forward thinking in our forces because they have nobody to be accountable to.

When we look at other navies, they have to answer to the govt, who will question them on decisions. When we look at ours, one CNS (goes for the others too) will enact one project, but another CNS will decide theres other, more pressing needs etc and it all falters when the checquebook is consulted.

Look at the Khalid Class, we got the license, we got the ToT, what did we do with it? Nothing.

Look at the F22P's. ToT was provided, nothing was done.

Once again, the same happened with the Azmats.

The one thing i will say, is the PN is quite a visionary force, but it has its fingers in too many holes and not the budget to back it up.

It is basically building itself from the ground up after years of neglect.

If i was in charge today, i would have streamlined into two platforms above surface.

Damen OPV2500 based corvettes, then a larger, design, perhaps something like the sigma series. I dont like the idea of taking ships then extensively modifying them, because then you're forced to eat the costs of design, development and certification.

Sub fleet would be the main focus, the damen stuff is flexible and can be loaded with mission modules, including those for ASW.

I think we just get a clash of ideas from current/inbound CNS', with each wanting do do different things but not having enough funds for. Otherwise, PN would have built a 16 strong sub force with Khalid's

But isn't something like CAMM-ER integratable as a retrofit on existing vessels? So perhaps PN can pick decent amount of missiles later when funds are available.

Possibly, its just a case of how much they want to spend. The ukrainians we're able to get 8 cell MICA in the rear of their ships,

That does also make me wonder why the PN did not just originally pick such a solution, instead of lengthening the hull and adding to the costs. Maybe they had some other requirements. Where the current VLS is, used to be the botswain locker on the turkish vessels, and then a prayer room also.

 

[Toxic]

The problem is, we dont really have much forward thinking in our forces because they have nobody to be accountable to.

When we look at other navies, they have to answer to the govt, who will question them on decisions. When we look at ours, one CNS (goes for the others too) will enact one project, but another CNS will decide theres other, more pressing needs etc and it all falters when the checquebook is consulted.

Look at the Khalid Class, we got the license, we got the ToT, what did we do with it? Nothing.

Look at the F22P's. ToT was provided, nothing was done.

Once again, the same happened with the Azmats.

It's a shame really, I love the design of the Azmats, they could have formed the entire "lower tier" core of the navy, everything from ASW to minesweeping, patrol vessels for the PMSA etc, I am afraid same might happen to the JCF in the future.

Possibly, its just a case of how much they want to spend. The ukrainians we're able to get 8 cell MICA in the rear of their ships,

That does also make me wonder why the PN did not just originally pick such a solution, instead of lengthening the hull and adding to the costs. Maybe they had some other requirements. Where the current VLS is, used to be the botswain locker on the turkish vessels, and then a prayer room also.

I think it might be because the PN wants larger heavier missiles for the baburs, they were probably ordered with the P282/SMASH in mind.

On the topic of OPVs what is the PNs plan with the Second batch Yarmooks? The first batch still don't have their AshMs installed.

 

[Toxic]

I know it's technically not PN but she is pretty underrated, PMSS Kashmir.

 

[Oscar]

lets see, costs are always the killer of capabilities. I wonder whether PN's Babur class was also a cost issue, because they could have atleast accommodated another 6-12 missiles in the rear. They also deleted the RHIB recovery system. I dont THINK the Ada's were equipped with ASW kit like that, purely just a torpedo defense system.

JCF seems to be a multi mission frigate, which could very well mean they skip out on bits like ASW stuff, particularly since the PN seemingly prefers heliborne/airborne asw. Man, they must really trust the SOSUS network.

Some results from the deployed Sosus have been extremely encouraging which has enabled very accurate air asset vectoring in both public and not public incidents.

But there is a danger of reinforcement bias coming in because eventually the enemy will figure this out how to adapt to this as well.

So far the IN cannot enforce any proactive barcap or fighter sweeps although that could change with Rafale and S-400 forward deployment otherwise from the days of atlantique shootdown where PN was “on its own” to much more “assured”

 

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*PLA (N) SHIP DAQING ARRIVES AT KARACHI TO PARTICIPATE IN PAK-CHINA JOINT NAVAL EXERCISE SEA GUARDIAN IV*

Pakistan Navy extends a warm welcome to People’s Liberation Army (Navy) Ship DAQING for its participation in the 4th iteration of bilateral exercise SEA GUARDIAN, scheduled from 25 March to 2 April 2026. Upon arrival, PLA( N ) Ship DAQING was accorded a ceremonial welcome and escorted into port by Pakistan Navy ships with traditional zeal.

The SEA GUARDIAN exercise aims to further strengthen bilateral relations through the mutual exchange of maritime expertise and enhanced interoperability between the two friendly navies, reflecting their shared commitment to regional peace. The exercise will feature a range of harbour and sea-phase activities, including subject matter expert engagements, a young officers’ seminar on contemporary topics, gunnery firings, coordinated patrols, and other maritime security operations.

The SEA GUARDIAN series of exercises reflects the strong bond and shared commitment of Pakistan and China to regional peace and stability. It is expected to further enhance their strategic partnership and contribute to a stable maritime environment in the region.

 

[ARMalik]

Good eyes bro. Ill share my own research on this. This is not enough. Maybe its a open close section when not in use.

Lets just wait what I find.

Someone should check the authencity of the pictures - they might be altered.

 

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[Toxic]

@Ak01 has the Navy received ground launched CAMM ERs yet? AFAIK the deal was signed over 2 years ago now

 

[kimjongun]

@Ak01 has the Navy received ground launched CAMM ERs yet? AFAIK the deal was signed over 2 years ago now

I think the deal wasn't signed and it was just talk , If it was offered to us then PAF would have been getting it before the PN due to the larger budget and requirment. It was mostly talk ig

 

[Toxic]

I think the deal wasn't signed and it was just talk , If it was offered to us then PAF would have been getting it before the PN due to the larger budget and requirment. It was mostly talk ig

No the deal is real, PN has gone all in on the CAMM ER, most of our major surface combatants are going to be equipped with CAMM-ERs in the near future, if the PAF buys a western system in the future it's probably going to be the IRIS-T.