falcon34
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Conventional variants of Shaheen series are needed!!!.
Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion
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Starlord
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The Black circle is the Window for the guy who sits inside the warhead.Here's a picture of a missile...... guess which one
Whats that big black dot ?
Also guess why the top section is divided into two parts ?
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Bottom section of the Red cone is for food storage
Top section of the cone is for sleeping space.
Michael
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The DF-16 Missile.
According to the PLA's standard classification, it falls into the category of a Medium-Range Ballistic Missile (MRBM). Depending on the specific warhead carried, its maximum range lies within the 1,000 to 1,500-kilometer bracket. Some media outlets refer to it as a medium-to-short-range ballistic missile.
Many of its characteristics make it particularly suitable as a reference model for Pakistan.
1. **Unprepared-Site Launch Capability:** Typically, medium-range ballistic missiles utilizing Transporter-Erector-Launchers (TELs) operate on a "pre-set position" launch mode—meaning they require auxiliary facilities that have been deployed in advance. The DF-16, however, requires no such pre-set positions. Provided the ground surface is firm enough to support the weight of the TEL vehicle, the missile can be launched from virtually any location.
2. **High Accuracy:** While official descriptions do not provide specific figures regarding its accuracy, they employ the phrase "accuracy comparable to that of a cruise missile." This is a highly distinctive feature for a ballistic missile.
3. **Exceptional Anti-Interference Capabilities:** The missile is capable of maneuvering and altering its trajectory during the terminal phase of flight, achieving a terminal dive speed exceeding Mach 8.
4. **Versatile Warhead Options:** The DF-16 missiles currently deployed by the PLARF (PLA Rocket Force) are primarily equipped with cluster warheads (designed to target airport runways and aprons) and bunker-buster warheads (designed to destroy reinforced bunkers and underground fortifications). The weight of these warheads typically ranges from 1.2 to 1.5 tons. ------ The DF-16 missiles depicted in the video screenshots I have provided illustrate two distinct types of warheads.
The DF-16 is considered a "very inexpensive" missile. According to unofficial sources, its manufacturing cost is approximately 10 million RMB per unit, making it a low-cost asset within the PLARF's arsenal.
Based on various technical assessments, the missile is also theoretically capable of carrying a Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) or a nuclear warhead. However, the PLARF currently has no operational requirement for such configurations. Should Pakistan choose to use this missile as a reference model for its own indigenous development program, it would be technically feasible to equip it with either an HGV or a nuclear warhead.
The DF-17 series of hypersonic ballistic missiles currently in active service with the PLARF features a booster stage that is identical to that of the DF-16 series missiles. The DF-17 hypersonic ballistic missile has currently been observed with two distinct warhead configurations: a biconic shape and a waverider shape.
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Ibbi32
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We need a solid mass produced srbm to hit all targets in western and central india to credibly manage conventional detterence against brahmos threat. Indians are too confident in their AD lobbing a few baburs or raad deep at them in may wouldve shook them up but they still believe they can manage conventional subsonic munitions. They have no asnwer for any decent ballistic threat though. Fatah and smash are great initiatives and with help from china must be scaled up and improved upon to become backbone of PARFC
PakistaniDefender
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How did Fatah 1 really performed in May???
Mav3rick
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I am under the impression that many were shot down by the S400 systems. But again, they are simple rockets and not missiles.
Fatah-II is probably a different game.
Mav3rick
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Just wondering, what is the point of using cluster munitions on a Missile, it's like lobbing a few dozen hand grenades at a massive target, you do get damage but minimal and nothing significant. Are they being used just for the nuisance value, to create a panic and fear which may ultimately translate into political pressure on the leadership to discontinue to war?
Ibbi32
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We initially thought they werent very effective but there was a great osint satellite imagery effort on 2025 india pak thread a couple of months ago that showed something like 20+ sites targeted and hit with various levels of damage largely by F1
Michael
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The crux of the matter is not the technology behind cluster munitions, but rather strategic decision-making: are you willing to voluntarily restrain your own military from employing such means of attack?
Following the conclusion of World War I, a period of reflection began. Could it be possible to achieve widespread attack or area denial through a single delivery? Thus, a new technology emerged, enabling a single munition to "fragment" in mid-air, releasing multiple smaller submunitions to blanket a larger area.
During World War II, cluster munitions were deployed on a massive scale.
During the Vietnam War, the U.S. military utilized cluster munitions against Vietnam even more extensively.
It was precisely this indiscriminate and widespread use of cluster munitions by the U.S. military that led to a host of grave consequences. The vast quantities of unexploded ordnance scattered across wide areas inflicted immense harm upon civilians and posed a catastrophic impediment to post-war recovery efforts.
Consequently, in 2008, the international community introduced the Convention on Cluster Munitions. Regrettably, however, many major military powers have not acceded to this convention.
Modern anti-runway warheads represent a direct application of this technology. Rocket-borne automatic mine-laying systems also utilize this same technology.
Take, for instance, the DF-16 missile series I mentioned earlier: one of its warhead variants is specifically designed to target airport runways. A single missile is capable of rendering an entire military airfield combat-ineffective. That is the true power of cluster munitions.
The strike capability of these submunitions is contingent upon the underlying engineering and technical expertise. For submunitions of identical size and weight, the disparity in capability between different nations can be vast.
Iran's indigenous capabilities in the chemical industry and explosives research are not particularly advanced. While they are capable of independently manufacturing conventional explosives, they lack the capacity to produce high-performance explosives. In other words, there remains a significant gap between their capabilities in this domain and those of technologically advanced nations.
Concurrently, Israel generally adheres to exceptionally high engineering standards for its infrastructure development. Videos shared by Chinese construction workers engaged in projects within Israel clearly demonstrate that the blast-resistance requirements for Israeli civilian structures are set at an exceptionally rigorous level.
Consequently, we observe that the submunitions deployed in Iran's cluster munitions inflict relatively limited actual damage.
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kimjongun
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@Oscar
I was wondering how would the Babur/Fatah 4 would mask itself in the terrain when the indias western side is literally plain , like woudnt it increase the rates of interception?
We saw the effectiveness of american and israeli CMs after how they used the iranian mountains to hide themselves .
I was wondering how would the Babur/Fatah 4 would mask itself in the terrain when the indias western side is literally plain , like woudnt it increase the rates of interception?
We saw the effectiveness of american and israeli CMs after how they used the iranian mountains to hide themselves .
Wrong. The top cone is for the driver and bottom one for the conductor.
Starlord
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we should also do the same Truck art on our missiles
that will look so cool !!Just like that. Watch after 41 seconds and look for the shadow..
P.S. I made this video 10 years ago. Was my discovery
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Hopefully Pessimistic
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Indian security establishment feels confident in it having enough AD to manage Pakistan's conventional missile arsenal, especially the subsonic cruise missiles and low tier supersonic ones. At the moment anyway. Some extremists even believe they can survive a nuclear exchange as they see Pakistan is increasingly incompetent and lagging, and poor.
Pakistan needs to mass produce a capable unit of ballistic missiles that can reach upto at least 400km, as well as some cruise missiles, sub-sonic and supersonic. Perhaps limited number of hypersonic if possible reserved for HVT.
Pakistan needs to mass produce a capable unit of ballistic missiles that can reach upto at least 400km, as well as some cruise missiles, sub-sonic and supersonic. Perhaps limited number of hypersonic if possible reserved for HVT.
