Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[safriz]

Indian security establishment feels confident in it having enough AD to manage Pakistan's conventional missile arsenal, especially the subsonic cruise missiles and low tier supersonic ones. At the moment anyway. Some extremists even believe they can survive a nuclear exchange as they see Pakistan is increasingly incompetent and lagging, and poor.

Pakistan needs to mass produce a capable unit of ballistic missiles that can reach upto at least 400km, as well as some cruise missiles, sub-sonic and supersonic. Perhaps limited number of hypersonic if possible reserved for HVT.

They also claimed that after they get S 400, Pakistan air force will have to operate from Afghanistan as their S 400 will ahoot down any Pakistani jet flying in Pakistan air space .

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

They also claimed that after they get S 400, Pakistan air force will have to operate from Afghanistan as their S 400 will ahoot down any Pakistani jet flying in Pakistan air space .

Having a credible deterrence present that is visibile can disincentivise any such itching for aggression. Obviously the Indians have many fantasies from too much hyperexaggerated Bollywood consumption, but at the same time we can't fall asleep on the wheel.

 

[safriz]

Having a credible deterrence present that is visibile can disincentivise any such itching for aggression. Obviously the Indians have many fantasies from too much hyperexaggerated Bollywood consumption, but at the same time we can't fall asleep on the wheel.

So, India fired 15 or 19 Brahmos at Pakistan, as per Indian media here and here .
How many actually found the target?
May be 2 or 3 ?
The rest fell I'm empty fields or kept going towards Afghanistan.
You can do the maths .

That portrays the big problem with supersonic missiles flying low.
The atmosphere behaves like gel , and the energy required to make course corrections is too much . Likewise the time widows to make such corrections is too narrow as the missile will miss the target due to the speed .

Thats why Pakistani soft kill or jamming approach worked very well . They were just inducing errors in the missiles navigation system, which the guidance computer had to pick, up calculate and make course corrections, paying time and fuel penalty.

These issues don't happen with subsonic missiles.

 

[hussain0216]

So, India fired 15 or 19 Brahmos at Pakistan, as per Indian media here and here .
How many actually found the target?
May be 2 or 3 ?
The rest fell I'm empty fields or kept going towards Afghanistan.
You can do the maths .

That portrays the big problem with supersonic missiles flying low.
The atmosphere behaves like gel , and the energy required to make course corrections is too much . Likewise the time widows to make such corrections is too narrow as the missile will miss the target due to the speed .

Thats why Pakistani soft kill or jamming approach worked very well . They were just inducing errors in the missiles navigation system, which the guidance computer had to pick, up calculate and make course corrections, paying time and fuel penalty.

These issues don't happen with subsonic missiles.

The U.S is the most sophisticated military to ever exist

And yet their strike weapon of choice is the Tomahawk

Pakistan should just aim to expand production and range

Fatah 4 with a range of 1000km to 1500km would be perfect

 

[safriz]

The U.S is the most sophisticated military to ever exist

And yet their strike weapon of choice is the Tomahawk

Pakistan should just aim to expand production and range

Fatah 4 with a range of 1000km to 1500km would be perfect

But likewise USA had been fighting with countries far far below their own defence and technology capabilities.

Pakistan fighting a foe superior then them in most aspects.

On subject, the subsonic missiles fired by India the British Storm shadows had better success rate.
India says they fired sane numbers of Brahmos and SCALP on Pakistan, 15 or 19 each.
But about 5 or 6 SCALP found the target or at least hit near enough.

Pakistan surprised me by jamming those too. The factory which made them is in Bolton, not far from where I live .
People working there boast about how technologically advanced everything they make is.
But then this happens. You can see the pointy scary warhead fully intact. The thing got so confused that it didn't even explode.

 

[hussain0216]

But likewise USA had been fighting with countries far far below their own defence and technology capabilities.

Pakistan fighting a foe superior then them in most aspects.

On subject, the subsonic missiles fired by India the British Storm shadows had better success rate.
India says they fired sane numbers of Brahmos and SCALP on Pakistan, 15 or 19 each.
But about 5 or 6 SCALP found the target or at least hit near enough.

Pakistan surprised me by jamming those too. The factory which made them is in Bolton, not far from where I live .
People working there boast about how technologically advanced everything they make is.
But then this happens. You can see the pointy scary warhead fully intact. The thing got so confused that it didn't even explode.

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What's the likelihood of Pakistan underplaying or understating the ranges of our missiles?? And in the heat of war suddenly fatahs or other missiles with a alleged range of 500km hit targets at 1000km

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

But likewise USA had been fighting with countries far far below their own defence and technology capabilities.

Pakistan fighting a foe superior then them in most aspects.

On subject, the subsonic missiles fired by India the British Storm shadows had better success rate.
India says they fired sane numbers of Brahmos and SCALP on Pakistan, 15 or 19 each.
But about 5 or 6 SCALP found the target or at least hit near enough.

Pakistan surprised me by jamming those too. The factory which made them is in Bolton, not far from where I live .
People working there boast about how technologically advanced everything they make is.
But then this happens. You can see the pointy scary warhead fully intact. The thing got so confused that it didn't even explode.

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right, you must have met them before Ukraine war

 

[TallGuy]

@safriz
i found that you are quite knowledgeable about Ballistic Missiles.

Can you answer some questions?

1. Ghaznavi Misisle does it have separating RV?
2. Shaheen I /1A missile does it have Separatable RV?

 

[MS Sandhu]

towards Afghanistan

Was there any debris found in Afghanistan? No
Multiple hit Nur Khan Air base
One was intercepted over jacobabad

Pakistan had little to no success against missile strikes.

 

[MS Sandhu]

The thing got so confused that it didn't even explode.

May have crashed due to malfunctioning.
Truth is Pakistani air bases were hammered like never before.

 

[Toxic]

Was there any debris found in Afghanistan? No
Multiple hit Nur Khan Air base
One was intercepted over jacobabad

Pakistan had little to no success against missile strikes.

Towards Afghanistan doesn't mean it entered Afghanistan AFAIK they fell in B Stan, pretending nothing was done as just as stupid as pretending all is well.

May have crashed due to malfunctioning.
Truth is Pakistani air bases were hammered like never before.

French must be top tier grifters to be able to sell Indians a missile with a 60% malfunction rate.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Towards Afghanistan doesn't mean it entered Afghanistan AFAIK they fell in B Stan, pretending nothing was done as just as stupid as presenting all is well.

Debris of Brahmos that flew towards Afghanistan was never found
That thing may have hit or missed its target but landed on Air Base.

French must be top tier grifters to be able to sell Indians a missile with a 60+% malfunction rate

Multiple Tomahawks were found crashed in Iran due to malfunctioning.
So were Yiha drones that crashed in Pakistan's own territory.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Multiple Tomahawks were found crashed in Iran due to malfunctioning.

after firing 800 few fell and missed ( not a big deal ! also not comparable )

So were Yiha drones that crashed in Pakistan's own territory.

comparing a pipe with wings to a 1.5 millions dollar missile ,good job

 

[kimjongun]

Yiha was a shitty choice tbh , now its getting improvements like being launched from catapults . If we know hwo to produce yiha like kamakazi drones then why dont we implement that tech into the drones by Woot tech or others ??

 

[safriz]

@safriz
i found that you are quite knowledgeable about Ballistic Missiles.

Can you answer some questions?

1. Ghaznavi Misisle does it have separating RV?
2. Shaheen I /1A missile does it have Separatable RV?

Obviously I can be totally wrong.

But usually missiles like Ghaznavi which are SRBM have a short flight time and don't leave atmosphere. They typically reach a maximum height or apogee of 50 km or so, and need aerodynamic surfaces to keep on track
The front clipped delta winglets on Ghaznavi are movable , and provide directional control post boost .
During boost the Rocket vanes do most of the direction control.
The rear larger fins provide stability, and the missile needs both all the way, due to being within atmosphere all the way.
Same is true for indian Prithvi, Dhanuh and even K 15. None of whom drop a stage .

Shaheen 1 and 1A are different types.
Shaheen 1A has its own different versions.
But all have sideways firing vernier rocket motors, and that indicates that the Warhead assembly enters space, and for that, must shed empty stage , and doesn't need all the aerodynamic surfaces.