Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

[hussain0216]

I would like to extend my congratulations to Israel for a game well played.

Israel to hold southern Lebanon territory​

Israel has announced plans to maintain a security zone deep inside southern Lebanon, extending to the Litani River, even after the current war with Hezbollah ends. The move, modeled on tactics used in Gaza, includes demolishing border villages and preventing displaced Lebanese from returning until Israel deems its north secure. The decision signals a shift toward a long-term military presence, raising fears of prolonged conflict and regional instability.

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They did this for years, they occupied South Lebanon since the late 70s, until they forced out

The right wing in Israel has long salivated about expanding its borders North

Israel has the exact same problem, it can take the territory, but it's against international law and it keeps getting hit

In the time of FPV drones and long range anti tank missiles, occupying South Lebanon or parts of Syria will be brutal and difficult

 

[PakFactor]

Gaza is a prison unlike southern Lebanon and Hezbollah rockets can hit Israeli north well beyond the Litani. The cost of this occupation will be very high for Israel and it will quit after some years.

They did this for years, they occupied South Lebanon since the late 70s, until they forced out

The right wing in Israel has long salivated about expanding its borders North

Israel has the exact same problem, it can take the territory, but it's against international law and it keeps getting hit

In the time of FPV drones and long range anti tank missiles, occupying South Lebanon or parts of Syria will be brutal and difficult

I would still bet the house on Israel. I've mentioned before, this Israel is quite different from the one the region has dealt with in the past. It is much more ruthless and unforgiving.

I will say this: the region itself is frozen in inaction because it doesn't know how to confront it, and it never prepared for the eventuality of it reaching this point.

Another point is that it has also demonstrated to Americans how to do it effectively.

 

[Watandar]

I would still bet the house on Israel. I've mentioned before, this Israel is quite different from the one the region has dealt with in the past. It is much more ruthless and unforgiving.

I will say this: the region itself is frozen in inaction because it doesn't know how to confront it, and it never prepared for the eventuality of it reaching this point.

Another point is that it has also demonstrated to Americans how to do it effectively.

I don't understand where this "new Israel" talk is coming from. It's the exact same ruthless and excessive force utilizer Israel of the past. There isn't anything it's done in Gaza or Lebanon or Iran that it didn't do in 1948 or 1956 or 1967 or 1982. The Israelis are actually quite predictable, if someone ever bothers to study them.

What will it now do in south Lebanon ? The same thing it did in the 1970s with South Lebanon Army and a south Lebanon Christian buffer state. The eventual end results will be the same.

 

[PakFactor]

I don't understand where this "new Israel" talk is coming from. It's the exact same ruthless and excessive force utilizer Israel of the past. There isn't anything it's done in Gaza or Lebanon or Iran that it didn't do in 1948 or 1956 or 1967 or 1982. The Israelis are actually quite predictable, if someone ever bothers to study them.

What will it now do in south Lebanon ? The same thing it did in the 1970s with South Lebanon Army and a south Lebanon Christian buffer state. The eventual end results will be the same.

If you study the differences of all those previous conflicts to what's going on today, the difference is apparent:

Israel has perfected the AI-Generated kill list. Groups like Hezbollah and Hamas relied on the "rules of asymmetric warfare"—the idea that a state military would be slowed down by urban environments and civilian presence. What took months or years in the past can be done within days. As we've seen in Hezbollah and Iran, it's practically eliminated top leadership; given that Iran and Hezbollah replaced them, but you can't replace the institutional knowledge the next day.

The mass production of human and infrastructure targets has allowed it to continue with mass bombardments it wasn't capable of in the past.

In Iran, it took its AI capabilities to another level, infiltrating CCTVs, smartphones, etc., to locate, track, and kill in real time; it has created a massive data stockpile, enabling it to do so anywhere.

With this vast trove of information, it can predict the opponent's next move.

For its urban warfare strategy, its focus is now on the complete eradication of the locality through air and artillery, and on sending in troops to clear the area of any minor resistance. Though it's faced losses, they're far fewer than in previous conflicts. This is now its current strategy, and it will be applied in Lebanon, and the Americans might do so in Iran, if it comes to a ground invasion.

The best way I can say, as this would be a long subject, the Israeli's have established a new doctrine of warfare, and have thrown out the old rules of asymmetric warfare.

I'm sure @RescueRanger and @LeGenD have studies they can share to further explain the change in nature of Israel and its warfare. I will say, so far, what I predicted Israel would do has been coming true.

 

[Ali_Baba]

They did this for years, they occupied South Lebanon since the late 70s, until they forced out

The right wing in Israel has long salivated about expanding its borders North

Israel has the exact same problem, it can take the territory, but it's against international law and it keeps getting hit

In the time of FPV drones and long range anti tank missiles, occupying South Lebanon or parts of Syria will be brutal and difficult

It is not difficult for Lebanon to defend this land of theirs if they chose to do so. Look at how slowly the IDF is progressing, and then imagine if the Lebanese Army also got involved to defend their country ?! It would be much harder for Israel to do anything and that deterrence raises the cost to the point where Israel would chose to not do it in the first place.

Israel will eventually get to the river as things stand but that would not be the case if the Lebanese Army was also involved. The Lebanese Government has the option of mobilisation of its population to defend its land in the same way Sweden/Finland and even Israel does. The terrain is difficult for an occupier force to try and conquer and that can work in favour of any army. The Government of Lebanon can ask International countries for arms to help defend their land, and they will get that at this time of war.

Finland, Sweden has shown how you can organise your countries defences to train your population to be able to defend your country without having to keep large standing armies but to have a dynamic armed force model. It is possible to organise large armed defensive formations without the need to have large permanent armed forces. Lebanon choses to not do this, and as such it is difficult to take them seriously when they complain about being occupied.

The indifference of the Government of Lebanon to the needs of the country and its people is truly shocking..

 

[hussain0216]

It is not difficult for Lebanon to defend this land of theirs if they chose to do so. Look at how slowly the IDF is progressing, and then imagine if the Lebanese Army also got involved to defend their country ?! It would be much harder for Israel to do anything and that deterrence raises the cost to the point where Israel would chose to not do it in the first place.

Israel will eventually get to the river as things stand but that would not be the case if the Lebanese Army was also involved. The Lebanese Government has the option of mobilisation of its population to defend its land in the same way Sweden/Finland and even Israel does. The terrain is difficult for an occupier force to try and conquer and that can work in favour of any army. The Government of Lebanon can ask International countries for arms to help defend their land, and they will get that at this time of war.

Finland, Sweden has shown how you can organise your countries defences to train your population to be able to defend your country without having to keep large standing armies but to have a dynamic armed force model. It is possible to organise large armed defensive formations without the need to have large permanent armed forces. Lebanon choses to not do this, and as such it is difficult to take them seriously when they complain about being occupied.

The indifference of the Government of Lebanon to the needs of the country and its people is truly shocking..

The Lebanese government, military and state are worthless

They have been invaded and rather then approach the U.N, declare Israel a invader and occupier
Reach out to states across the world

They are worthless and useless whilst their country is attacked

 

[Falcon29]

In the first breach of the ceasefire.

Targeting an ambulance in the Tyre District, southern Lebanon.

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[Falcon29]

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[Falcon29]

Israeli raid right now in the Tyre District kills 4 Lebanese in southern Lebanon.

The strike is confirmation from Netanyahu that Lebanon is not included

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[Falcon29]

Al Jazeera correspondent: Israeli airstrike on the town of Yahmour in the Bekaa east of #Lebanon

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[Falcon29]

Hezbollah appears to be committed to the ceasefire, as it has not issued any operational statements, while Israel continues its war.

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[Watandar]

Israelis misread Hezbollah the same way they misread Iran in recent conflict. This can happen when you enjoy the blind backing of the US which artificially increases your own power.

Israel army says it underestimated Hezbollah, Iran capabilities

An Israeli commander has admitted that the army underestimated Hezbollah’s military capabilities and that only a political settlement will end the Iran war

www.newarab.com

 

[_Arabia_]

@Falcon29

So the Iranian regime just threw Hezbollah under the bus like they did with the Houthis prior to that and the Iraqi Shia terrorist militias.

Now Lebanon is getting carpet bombed and 1000's of Lebanese are dying. For what exactly?

How many Israelis have died? 12 IDF soldiers and 2 civilians.

2026 Lebanon war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When are those idiots going to realize that you cannot defeat a nuclear-armed Israel with 24/7 support from the US, with backward militias like Hezbollah that are very lightly armed?

How difficult is it for Lebanon to merge with all factions and develop a powerful national military, inclusive, that will not face the problems/accusations/sanctions/claims of terrorism etc. as Hezbollah faces?

Gaza/Hamas had/has no choice because Gaza is an isolated open prison but Lebanon could have done what I have been arguing decades ago. Yet they have failed.

When are Arabs going to realize that all those fifth column backward militias are not adding anything positive but only misery, division etc.?

I forgot to mention that Israel has invaded/likely annexed Lebanese (South Lebanon) territory permanently in worst case scenario.

 

[Falcon29]

@Falcon29

So the Iranian regime just threw Hezbollah under the bus like they did with the Houthis prior to that and the Iraqi Shia terrorist militias.

Now Lebanon is getting carpet bombed and 1000's of Lebanese are dying. For what exactly?

How many Israelis have died? 12 IDF soldiers and 2 civilians.

2026 Lebanon war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When are those idiots going to realize that you cannot defeat a nuclear-armed Israel with 24/7 support from the US, with backward militias like Hezbollah that are very lightly armed?

How difficult is it for Lebanon to merge with all factions and develop a powerful national military, inclusive, that will not face the problems/accusations/sanctions/claims of terrorism etc. as Hezbollah faces?

Gaza/Hamas had/has no choice because Gaza is an isolated open prison but Lebanon could have done what I have been arguing decades ago. Yet they have failed.

When are Arabs going to realize that all those fifth column backward militias are not adding anything positive but only misery, division etc.?

I forgot to mention that Israel has invaded/likely annexed Lebanese (South Lebanon) territory permanently in worst case scenario.

I think Hezbollah should consider something depending on outcome of this war. You can't wish them away but like Houthi's, they can evolve and mature.

Iran cannot protect them or people in Gaza. It's a daunting task. But it may still try with Lebanon because it's an important front to keep Israel occupied.

Or else Iran is going to be alone in any future fight.

What did Arabs do with Houthi's to convince Houthi's to take a neutral position in this war ? And also to maintain ceasefire (largely ) in Yemen? Arabs need to use same wisdom here to influence these factions in the region and perhaps Syrian new administration can give wisdom for them to persuade them to go non-violent route if situation allows for it. There's no guarantee Israel will stop bullying neighbors under any circumstance. It's going to keep playing dirty sabatoge role across entire region.

Hezbollah won't give up their guns but they can be more isolated from Iran. They and their base want to survive too and not he told hand everything over and become nothing. It worked in Yemen so it could work here.

People in region are trying to take a step back and chill out but the Netanyahu maniac and Jewish-American community keep fanning flames of war. I can tell you with certainty the Jewish community here in the United States are psychotic warmongers maybe you guys in Middle East don't see it but we Muslims/Arabs born in the US do and we're more disturbed by them than anything.