PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[thereader]

With all due respect, I have seen you on this forum for ages. Sir, let’s clear this up a bit, because it often gets misunderstood.
Just because something is offered, or technically available, doesn’t mean Pakistan is in a position to bring it into service right away. The J‑35 is a good example of that. Yes, it’s been offered, and yes, it might be within reach in the coming years but that doesn’t automatically mean Pakistan is ready to induct it.

A 5th‑generation jet isn’t like adding another 4th or 4.5‑generation fighter to the fleet. It comes with its own ecosystem. You need specialized ground equipment, controlled environments, trained crews, and a whole maintenance setup that simply doesn’t exist yet. Without that foundation, even if the aircraft is available, it can’t be operated the way it’s meant to be.

So the real issue isn’t availability, it’s readiness. And Pakistan still has a lot of groundwork to do before a platform like the J‑35 can realistically fit into the PAF structure.

This a simple answer. I could go into 21 points technical analysis including Ukraine war and Iran - USA conflict.

I would like to read your 21 point analysis

 

[MastanKhan]

With all due respect, I have seen you on this forum for ages. Sir, let’s clear this up a bit, because it often gets misunderstood.
Just because something is offered, or technically available, doesn’t mean Pakistan is in a position to bring it into service right away. The J‑35 is a good example of that. Yes, it’s been offered, and yes, it might be within reach in the coming years but that doesn’t automatically mean Pakistan is ready to induct it.

A 5th‑generation jet isn’t like adding another 4th or 4.5‑generation fighter to the fleet. It comes with its own ecosystem. You need specialized ground equipment, controlled environments, trained crews, and a whole maintenance setup that simply doesn’t exist yet. Without that foundation, even if the aircraft is available, it can’t be operated the way it’s meant to be.

So the real issue isn’t availability, it’s readiness. And Pakistan still has a lot of groundwork to do before a platform like the J‑35 can realistically fit into the PAF structure.

This a simple answer. I could go into 21 points technical analysis including Ukraine war and Iran - USA conflict.

Hi,

I am not saying anything different---but I stated it differently---.

The threat that pakistan had a month ago---has dissipated somewhat till the next one arises---.

That threat is existential---. Procurement will be made upon reviewing the intensity of the future threat.

As I had mentioned years ago---PAF does not buy equipment for show only---. You can say the F-104---but that aircraft served ts purpose as well.

 

[Sinnerman108]

You can get them as soon as you want- but whether you actually want to based on budget distribution versus other glaring gaps is an issue.

The IAF has clearly indicated where its strategy is going with standoff ballistics and Brahmos launches under heavy cover of SAMs and unlike the Russians they intend to rotate their ADGE smartly and regardless of their implementation in reality one assumes competence.

In such a scenario you are much more constrained in how you can deploy your air power and establish air superiority - so spending on aerial assets may not be a priority unless they are LO.

That is the most important part,
Without effective surveillance and satellite support, any and all air power will be rendered useless before takeoff or upon landing...

If the recent clash has taught one thing, then that is the power of missiles, and smart loitering ammunition.

 

[studsmart]

Hi,

I am not saying anything different---but I stated it differently---.

The threat that pakistan had a month ago---has dissipated somewhat till the next one arises---.

That threat is existential---. Procurement will be made upon reviewing the intensity of the future threat.

As I had mentioned years ago---PAF does not buy equipment for show only---. You can say the F-104---but that aircraft served ts purpose as well.

cant agree more, just imagine PAF had 100+ Jf17C plus 100 J10C supported by 40 odd J35A. F16, JFT blk1/2 are supporting them... add awecs, elinit, ew, Air defence and you are asking anyone to go in to die against PAF.

 

[rafale]

Hi,

J-35 is available. But they are waiting for what package the coming rafales will have & what direction the IAF will go for the 5th gen aircraft.

It also depends on the threat level which could make the induction sooner.

@MastanKhan

With due respect, i don't think it matters what packages Indian Rafales come with, J-35s VLO characteristics itself provide it a shield and long range sniping vs Rafales.

Upcoming Indian Rafales are F4, which in current state are already obsolete. F4s bring Datalinking from the factory, something J-10CEs and BLKIII Jeffs had 5 years ago. The new Meteor is hardly tested and integrated. Same with the new Radar. French have been very slow at advancing the Rafale program and the first Rafales India will get 3 years after the contract is signed.

I think PAF just wants to preserve the funds and see if More J-10CEs are needed (in strike roles) and then eventually onboard J-35s.

Also, whats the latest on F-16Vs? Hoping pakistan can get a squadron or two of them from the USA after all the diplomacy in US-Iran war.

 

[rafale]

Hi,

I am not saying anything different---but I stated it differently---.

The threat that pakistan had a month ago---has dissipated somewhat till the next one arises---.

That threat is existential---. Procurement will be made upon reviewing the intensity of the future threat.

As I had mentioned years ago---PAF does not buy equipment for show only---. You can say the F-104---but that aircraft served ts purpose as well.

Why has the threat dissipated now?

Are you referring to another Indian false flag in conjunction with Israelis?

 

[air marshal]

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[MastanKhan]

Why has the threat dissipated now?

Are you referring to another Indian false flag in conjunction with Israelis?

Hi,

If the war stops---then the delay will hapen---but if the war continues---pkistan is in serious trouble---.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan

With due respect, i don't think it matters what packages Indian Rafales come with, J-35s VLO characteristics itself provide it a shield and long range sniping vs Rafales.

Upcoming Indian Rafales are F4, which in current state are already obsolete. F4s bring Datalinking from the factory, something J-10CEs and BLKIII Jeffs had 5 years ago. The new Meteor is hardly tested and integrated. Same with the new Radar. French have been very slow at advancing the Rafale program and the first Rafales India will get 3 years after the contract is signed.

I think PAF just wants to preserve the funds and see if More J-10CEs are needed (in strike roles) and then eventually onboard J-35s.

Also, whats the latest on F-16Vs? Hoping pakistan can get a squadron or two of them from the USA after all the diplomacy in US-Iran war.

Hi,

There must be a mthod behind the madness as indians want to buy a 100 plus Rafales---.

They have gone on a spending spree of $20 billion.

They have a large number of foriegners assisting them in their procurement.

They will build a very large surface to surface missile and drone arsenal---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

This is on a very serious note---. I believe that we are at the begining of our existential threat & the distance betwee the start and the end may not be too long.

Until and unless this war don't stop---we are going to end up in deep deep trouble.

For the victory in May 2025---we may end up paying an extremely heavy heavy price---.

Changig the power structure of the world super powers in a 45 minute air battle has blown the cob-webs of the lethargic snooze button that the west was in slumber of---.

Pray to Allah that I am wrong---.

 

[LittleFish]

@MastanKhan

With due respect, i don't think it matters what packages Indian Rafales come with, J-35s VLO characteristics itself provide it a shield and long range sniping vs Rafales.

Upcoming Indian Rafales are F4, which in current state are already obsolete. F4s bring Datalinking from the factory, something J-10CEs and BLKIII Jeffs had 5 years ago. The new Meteor is hardly tested and integrated. Same with the new Radar. French have been very slow at advancing the Rafale program and the first Rafales India will get 3 years after the contract is signed.

I think PAF just wants to preserve the funds and see if More J-10CEs are needed (in strike roles) and then eventually onboard J-35s.

Also, whats the latest on F-16Vs? Hoping pakistan can get a squadron or two of them from the USA after all the diplomacy in US-Iran war.

I think PAF is waiting for the WS19 to be more reliable and mature, just like what it did in the J10 procurement.

As for F16v, it’d be better to ask Turks to upgrade your current F16 fleet, as our Turkish members always claim they have the ability.

 

[rafale]

Hi,

There must be a mthod behind the madness as indians want to buy a 100 plus Rafales---.

They have gone on a spending spree of $20 billion.

They have a large number of foriegners assisting them in their procurement.

They will build a very large surface to surface missile and drone arsenal---.

PAF royally fck'-d up when they let them escape intact on may 10th---.

PAF will rue tht moment----.

You are not wrong in your assessment, but Indians are a vile nation. They don't need any excuse to show to the world how mentally f**ked up they are.

Regarding their acquisitions, their new Rafales will be a threat 3-4 years from now, not today. What they will do is not fight air to air battles, but rather stand off saturation attacks. So PAF needs to procure accordingly and smartly with the limited budget.

Indians are desperate because they know Pakistan will have the VLO/5th Gen soon and before them. So they will do anything to avoid that possibility.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Hi,

There must be a mthod behind the madness as indians want to buy a 100 plus Rafales---.

They have gone on a spending spree of $20 billion.

They have a large number of foriegners assisting them in their procurement.

They will build a very large surface to surface missile and drone

India’s ability to spend $70+ billion on defense is directly tied to the sheer scale of its economy. A large, diversified economic base gives them the fiscal space to maintain high military spending without destabilizing their broader financial system.

For Pakistan, the path is clear. Instead of increasing Government spending to support Princes Maryam Nawaz, If we focus on rebuilding and expanding the economy through real reforms, industrial growth, exports, and stable governance then allocating even $30 billion annually to defense becomes achievable and sustainable.

 

[Fatman17]

India’s ability to spend $70+ billion on defense is directly tied to the sheer scale of its economy. A large, diversified economic base gives them the fiscal space to maintain high military spending without destabilizing their broader financial system.

For Pakistan, the path is clear. Instead of increasing Government spending to support Princes Maryam Nawaz, If we focus on rebuilding and expanding the economy through real reforms, industrial growth, exports, and stable governance then allocating even $30 billion annually to defense becomes achievable and sustainable.

In a normal country this should be doable but in a abnormal state this is not possible. The state has always looked for shortcuts - loans, grants and subsidies -.
Recently the government claimed that 20B$ pakistani money is parked overseas and they would like to get it repatriated to beef up the FX reserves - another shortcut.