Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Pakistan Space Agency]

If it was me I would ask for no written guarantees but

Arrest and hand over all known terrorist commanders and sub commanders. If not acceptable or doable, then there is no point in talking any business.

These commanders are living in afghanistan, if TTA cannot arrest them then they do not have any writ and are not a party we should be talking to. Anything except this unacceptable.

I like the Pakistani approach.

They attack, we retaliate but each time we occupy a few kilometres of Afghan territory.

We have a cease-fire, we keep the territory, and work on integrating the occupied territory with Pakistan.

Few months or few years later, we repeat this process, and keep grabbing more territory from Afghanistan. But we want to be careful that we only grab enough and not too much so ordinary Afghans don't feel the loss.

We don't need to fight wars at Afghan level but at smart level.

This is what China has been doing with India for the last couple of decades without making much noise.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

I like the Pakistani approach.

They attack, we retaliate but each time we occupy a few kilometres of Afghan territory.

We have a cease-fire, we keep the territory, and work on integrating the occupied territory with Pakistan.

Few months or few years later, we repeat this process, and keep grabbing more territory from Afghanistan. But we want to be careful that we only grab enough and not too much so ordinary Afghans don't feel the loss.

We don't need to fight wars at Afghan level but at smart level.

This is what China has been doing with India for the last couple of decades without making much noise.

Pakistan has not captured any noticeable territory from Afghanistan besides the Ghudwana enclave (A very small strategic height patch of land). Apart from some strategic posts near the northern parts of the border, it has not captured any more territory nor does it have plans to.

Besides striking targets in Afghanistan, it has no strategy beyond it nor bold enough to start seriously salami slicing their territory. Most people still think the Afghans are salvageable or they will do some magical re-education propaganda to make them love you, which is just laughably pathetic, another failed policy and waste of time & money.

Pakistanis have a habit of romanticizing Afghans and removing their individual agency or motives from the equation, everything is an Indian saazish and they will come in like angels to "re-educate" them, it's hilarious and wrong. Afghan political history and hatred of Pakistan is ancient with a strong narrative behind it, none of these fools are going to somehow tackle the nationalist tribal sentiment, instead of accepting it is a brutal enemy with a Nazi level supremacy mindset and fighting it, they look for excuses to cope.

 

[gamaji]

No arm twisting was needed. General Zia-ul-Haq wanted the war so he could prolong his dictatorship.

It wasn't actually about General Zia-ul-Haq wanting 'the war so he could prolong his dictatorship'. It was about the imminent existential threat to Pakistan had the Soviets been able to settle down in Afghanistan. Men to fight Soviet occupation were needed and Afghan refugees were the biggest source for that. Zia's domestic policies were/are up for debate but as for Pakistan's Afghan policy, we didn't have any alternate option other than fighting off and stopping Soviets in Afghanistan.

 

[gamaji]

I like the Pakistani approach.

They attack, we retaliate but each time we occupy a few kilometres of Afghan territory.

We have a cease-fire, we keep the territory, and work on integrating the occupied territory with Pakistan.

Few months or few years later, we repeat this process, and keep grabbing more territory from Afghanistan. But we want to be careful that we only grab enough and not too much so ordinary Afghans don't feel the loss.

We don't need to fight wars at Afghan level but at smart level.

This is what China has been doing with India for the last couple of decades without making much noise.

'We don't need to fight wars at Afghan level but at smart level.'
Afghans are not willing to accept the Durand line as international border in any case. They claim a part Pakistan as Afghanistan's territory.

Pakistan is simply doing the right thing by adjusting the Durand line (the imaginary line, according to Afghans) to ensure the routes used by TTA/TTP terrorists to sneak into Pakistan are choked.

If anything, Afghanistan will have to beg Pakistan to return these areas. Since, Durand line is an imaginary line, there is no point for Pakistan to return back to that imaginary line. Afghanistan will have to agree on the new international border with Pakistan.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

'We don't need to fight wars at Afghan level but at smart level.'
Afghans are not willing to accept the Durand line as international border in any case. They claim a part Pakistan as Afghanistan's territory.

Pakistan is simply doing the right thing by adjusting the Durand line (the imaginary line, according to Afghans) to ensure the routes used by TTA/TTP terrorists to sneak into Pakistan are choked.

If anything, Afghanistan will have to beg Pakistan to return these areas. Since, Durand line is an imaginary line, there is no point for Pakistan to return back to that imaginary line. Afghanistan will have to agree on the new international border with Pakistan.

Pakistan should think about de-populating some border zones via displacement to create buffer zones in some areas and annex them as permanent security zones. Like parts of Nuristan and Kunar.

The Afghanistan threat isn't going anywhere, that country and its racial supremacist terrorist mentality is here to say, may as well start carving up regions that are beneficial to us and think outside the box to encircle it.

Pakistan often complains about a limited strategic depth and regionally is actually a small country by landmass which limits its ability to project power, taking what's needed from Afghanistan could prove beneficial (of course keeping demographic issues/local stability in mind). This could after put Pakistan firmly in the Middle Power category, extremely influential.

Pakistan is approximately 796,095 sq km, while Iran is approximately 1,648,195 sq km, making Iran 107% larger than Pakistan. Even Afghanistan and Pakistan put together are smaller than Iran.

 

[Expert]

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This flies in the face of all the Taliban apologists who were claiming this was an "in-house problem" for Pakistan to sort out all on its own.

Clearly, a lot more needs to be done but Afghanistan remains the epicenter of terror for Pakistan. What is also insightful is the massive drop in the BLA activity. That also shows the nexus impacted inside of Afghanistan, between TTP-BLA brokered by the IEA, through Pakistani kinetic actions.

There is no secret in Nexus among BLA,TTP and TTP. The weapons and ammunition that all of them are carrying is same. It's supplied by TTA. You can fight them forever inside your own border and they'll keep supplying them with new stock. Guns, IEDs, RPG all looks like coming from same source.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

This picture best summarises Afghanistan, Taliban or not this has been their historical national politics:

 

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[Sal12]

Bring back PAF

 

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[Abid123]

Afghans are not willing to accept the Durand line as international border in any case. They claim a part Pakistan as Afghanistan's territory.

"Afghans" for you=Pashtuns. Stop spreading misinformation. Afghan Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc... Recognize the durand line and dont claim any part of Pakistan as part of Afghanistan.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Afghan Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc... Recognize the durand line and dont claim any part of Pakistan as part of Afghanistan.

but they have no say in governence hence their opinion doesnt matter , the ruling party does claim pakistani territory as their own

 

[kimjongun]

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Epitome of stupidity .