Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Gripen9]

What was a P8 doing in Kashmir? Monitoring Lahore port?

They use it as an ISR platform over Kashmir & Ladakh.
We have done same with our Atlantiques in the past.



From Gemini:

The Boeing P-8A Poseidon, while primarily designed as a maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft, is increasingly used as an Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) platform over land. Its advanced sensor suite, high altitude, and long endurance make it a capable asset for overland surveillance, border patrol, and electronic intelligence gathering. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


Key aspects of using the P-8 for inland ISR include:
1. Advanced Sensor Capabilities

• Electronic Intelligence (ELINT): The P-8 carries sophisticated sensors designed to map radar networks, intercept signals, and monitor communications. This allows it to monitor troop movements and air defenses far inland.
• Imaging Sensors: Equipped with advanced Electro-Optic/Infrared (EO/IR) systems, such as the WESCAM MX-20, the P-8 can perform high-altitude, long-range reconnaissance to identify targets day or night.
• Multi-Role Radar: The AN/APS-154 Advanced Airborne Sensor (AAS) enables Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) for high-resolution ground mapping and Ground Moving Target Indicator (GMTI) for tracking moving vehicles. [2, 3, 7, 8]

2. Operational Roles

• Border Security: P-8s have been deployed for domestic surveillance along borders, including for monitoring illegal maritime traffic and, in some cases, plotting targets for other forces.
• Strategic Surveillance: The aircraft is utilized to monitor airspace and border areas (e.g., in Eastern Europe), providing a layered intelligence picture for NATO forces.
• Law Enforcement/Domestic Support: P-8s have been used to provide persistent overhead surveillance during major national security events. [1, 2, 9]

3. Advantages of the P-8 Platform

• High Endurance and Performance: It can fly at 41,000 feet with a high speed of 490 knots, allowing for rapid transit and long loiter times.
• Open Architecture: Its open mission system architecture allows for quick insertion of new technology, enhancing its versatility for non-maritime missions.
• Interoperability: The P-8 operates in conjunction with other assets, such as the MQ-4C Triton UAV, contributing to a broader ISR network. [7, 10]

4. Recent Deployments

• RAF Usage: Royal Air Force (RAF) Poseidons have been observed conducting surveillance flights over Eastern Europe, focusing on border regions to gather intelligence on troop movements.
• Canada: Canada's future P-8A fleet is specifically designed for both maritime and overland surveillance missions.
• U.S. Operations: U.S. Navy P-8s have been used in surveillance roles along the U.S.-Mexico border. [1, 2, 3]

AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses
[1] https://news.usni.org/2025/02/03/navy-air-wings-conducting-isr-missions-on-southern-border
[2]

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[3] https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/l3harris-surveillance-p-8a/
[4] https://sldinfo.com/2011/05/transitioning-from-the-p3-to-the-p8/
[5] https://www.boeing.com/defense/patrol-early-warning-and-battle-management/p-8-poseidon
[6] https://breakingdefense.com/2016/06/poseidon-in-singapore-the-p-8-south-china-sea-strategy/
[7] https://www.facebook.com/RedhomeAviation/posts/the-raytheon-anaps-154-advanced-airborne-sensor-aas-on-the-p-8-poseidon-is-the-s/3183506141871926/
[8] https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/navy-p-8-poseidon-carrying-222855108.html
[9] https://www.twz.com/38737/the-ultim...-available-to-help-safeguard-the-inauguration
[10] https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-the-first-p-8a-with-full-asw-asuw-and-isr-capabilities/

 

[Ibbi32]

Wake up babe new churan just dropped, P8-I over kashmir trying to find PN’s subs which sailed from Lahore sea port before it’s destruction at the hands of Indian Navy.

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Could the indians actually use p8s in kashmir? Ik its a schizo post but the iaf doesnt have any real isr aircraft and the p8 is probably their best bet. I know in WoT PN deployed P-3s for strategic bombardment in swat but dk if they were usef for isr. the problem i see is IN would nnever willingly help out iaf

 

[Gripen9]

India's post 9th May battle logic seems to center around taking hits along Northern sector but saturating Pakistan with Stand off weapons.

Yes.
Expect 100s of brahmos and drones to saturate our airspace. We need to do pre-emptive strikes and deny over 2-300 miles of airspace inside India to deny indian standoff weapons deployment.

 

[Ibbi32]

Clearly the counter measures on the Rafales, Mirage 2000, MKI and Mig 29 all failed.

See, i understand your point, but the chances of any countermeasure working against a modern LPI AESA Seeker equipped, extremely fast maneuvering missiles is very very slim.

I believe there was a brief discussion here that apparently PAF knew that some MKI and Rafales were able to dodge the PL15, but only after doing some proper text book maneuvers, P8 can't do that. It's a civilian airliner at best. The only thing it has is probably flares (useless against ARH missiles) and Chaffs (useless considering PL15 is data linked and would have confirm target from another source).

Now, the SAM missile or PL15, it itself fails, that's a different story altogether and pure luck.

There was a reason PAF SAAB 2000 were flying so far away from border, so that under no circumstance they come in the range of enemy AD or AA missiles.

Ive said it before theres no way indian MAWS and RWRs had data on pl-15s and their seeker frequencies and thats why they were not able to detect their seekers

 

[Ibbi32]

Clearly the counter measures on the Rafales, Mirage 2000, MKI and Mig 29 all failed.

See, i understand your point, but the chances of any countermeasure working against a modern LPI AESA Seeker equipped, extremely fast maneuvering missiles is very very slim.

I believe there was a brief discussion here that apparently PAF knew that some MKI and Rafales were able to dodge the PL15, but only after doing some proper text book maneuvers, P8 can't do that. It's a civilian airliner at best. The only thing it has is probably flares (useless against ARH missiles) and Chaffs (useless considering PL15 is data linked and would have confirm target from another source).

Now, the SAM missile or PL15, it itself fails, that's a different story altogether and pure luck.

There was a reason PAF SAAB 2000 were flying so far away from border, so that under no circumstance they come in the range of enemy AD or AA missiles.

P8 has a much more strengthened airframe. Dont underestimate things like MPAs and AWACs they can pull some pretty crazy manuvers if needed. Also youre forgetting these aircraft have very capable EW suites. I doubt they can jam pl-15 but their SPJs paired with chaff can very reasonably degrade its performance

 

[Taimoor]

Ultimately its the military itself that created all this mess. No one asked them to partake in political engineering since 1947 but they do it like it's their prime directive. Also Sidhu has been decent he is no saint, PAF internally is (unfortunately) becoming more similar to the land force in some ways.

This relates back to the topic of this thread. Indian military officers do not worry about where to send their Thars or Scorpios to pick up political rivals or anyone who criticises them. They have one job. They have one singular mission.

It may be beneficial for the Pakistani military to work towards a future where they also only have to worry about defending the borders. Especially when we're outnumbered 5:1

If you want to know how Stockholm syndrome effect a nation en masse, Pakistan is a case stuty.

 

[spammmmer]

Yes.
Expect 100s of brahmos and drones to saturate our airspace. We need to do pre-emptive strikes and deny over 2-300 miles of airspace inside India to deny indian standoff weapons deployment.

Brahmos range has been increased to 800 kms .
there is nirbhay missile with 1000kms range.
PAkistan needs to pre emptive hit indian missile factories in south as hitting north is already considered by india.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Did i hear of another false flag or its rumor only. Are Indians ready to get another spanking? I hope our boys are more prepared than ever.

 

[Taimoor]

Very interesting points.

The Iranians did learn from the 12-day war and adopted their mosaic concept to ensure that the state went on, and replacements for all leadership roles were structured 4 levels down where appropriate. That concept seems to be working very well for them. Israel's tactics and obsession with assassinations is not working in Iran.

Could Pakistan survive such a strike on its leadership and senior C&C that is done in a similar manner? We all saw how slow and lethargic Pakistan's decision making process was during Sindoor, and that was without command staff being affected. PAF had their head in the game, but GHQ/Army were completely confused, slow and lost it seemed.

The key problem Pakistan has in all its institutions is the "cult of personality" both within the Armed Forces(eg Munir syndrome) and also within the political parties with the politicians. Can any institution in Pakistan agree on 4 levels of replacement upfront? Probably not, that is highlighted with the cult of "extension mania" within the Armed Forces where it is not about the institution but about themselves. Lets not talk about the political parties.

Indian's to me feels more institutional in their setup for both the armed forces, and also importantly their political leadership.

India is purchasing the same systems from Israel, that Israel used in its decapitation strikes against Iran, so this becomes a real problem problem for Pakistan both to the survivability of leadership functions, as well as the survivability of command and control centers, and bunkers.

Pakistani politicians are not worth wasting the bomb, they simply do not matter, the one Epstein class wanted neutralised is already in jail. That leaves all eggs in Muneer basket, and institutions works on his whims or rather the office he occupies. Which does leave a lot to ponder over what if he is taken out in case of open war. He has assumed a lot of power even over other services. It good for the fan boys, but a huge vulnerability, a single point of failure to the state.

 

[maxpane]

@Panzerkiel sir our neighbours are doing same yaki again. hope we are ready for this and this time without any restraint

 

[MirageV3ff]

@Panzerkiel sir our neighbours are doing same yaki again. hope we are ready for this and this time without any restraint

@Panzerkiel is busy preparing that Marqa-e-Haq thread currently

 

[rafale]

Ive said it before theres no way indian MAWS and RWRs had data on pl-15s and their seeker frequencies and thats why they were not able to detect their seekers

So do they have enough data now to update their libraries?

AESA seekers won't be scanning on one frequency..........so even if you have it, next time your MAWS may or not recognize it again.

Also, what's stopping the Chinese from updating the control logic and algorithms of the AESA seekers and retrofitting them on the previous software version missiles?

MAWS and SPJ can jam the missile seeker, since that is the nearest to the target, but it can't jam the further out ground or AWACs based tracking AESAs........so what happens then? The whole concept of data linking the missiles is that they can get off-board targeting and course correction all the way to the target.

Against modern BVR missiles operating in a fully networked domain with tracking data possible from multiple sources, chances of survival are very very slim for any combat jet out there.

 

[IceCold]

When are the elections coming in India?

 

[Oscar]

P8 has a much more strengthened airframe. Dont underestimate things like MPAs and AWACs they can pull some pretty crazy manuvers if needed. Also youre forgetting these aircraft have very capable EW suites. I doubt they can jam pl-15 but their SPJs paired with chaff can very reasonably degrade its performance

They aren’t doing anything that would defeat a missile -
Evasion in those platforms relies on countermeasures including Jamming - timed with maneuvers to increase spread of said systems and most importantly they prefer prevention than cure.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

When are the elections coming in India?

2029 April maybe