US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[F-22Raptor]

Trump Weighs Military Operation to Extract Iran’s Uranium​

Any move to seize the uranium by force would be complex and dangerous, former U.S. military officers and experts said, ranking among the most challenging operations ordered by Trump. The potential operation, which would likely trigger retaliation from Iran, could also lengthen the war well beyond the 4-6 week time frame that Trump’s team has publicly outlined.

Teams of U.S. forces would need to fly to the sites, likely under fire from Iranian surface-to-air missiles and drones. Once on site, combat troops would need to secure perimeters so that engineers with excavating equipment could search through debris and check for mines and booby traps.

The extraction of the material would likely need to be conducted by an elite special operations team specially trained to remove radioactive material from a conflict zone. The highly enriched uranium is likely contained in 40 to 50 special cylinders that resemble scuba tanks. They would need to be put into transportation casks to protect against accidents. That could fill several trucks, said Richard Nephew, a senior research scholar at Columbia University and a former nuclear negotiator with Iran.

Unless an airfield was available, a makeshift one would need to be set up to bring equipment in and take the nuclear material out. The entire operation would take days or even a week to complete, experts said.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-weighs-military-operation-to-extract-irans-uranium-37427c8b

US forces would fly in to to secure the Isfahan site. There are not “thousands” of IRGC at the site itself. This is mostly open terrain under heavy US surveillance.

So no, US forces would not go through the IRGC they would fly over it, secure the site, setup defensive perimeters, and fly in excavation equipment, resupply, and build an an airstrip.

 

[j_hungary]

It's from Hot Shots (1991). You have never seen it before ? It's like "Airplane" but a parody of Top Gun, Rambo and Predator. You gotta see it, they don't make em like this anymore.

I didn't know; maybe I watched it somewhere, and I simply forgot about the names. (1991 I would have been 11 years old lol)

 

[F-22Raptor]

Yeah, why not just have an Iranian bring it down to you or call an Uber for it while you are at it?

To begin with, do we EVEN know that it's in Isfahan? Have you run any intel ops, scanning for radioactive isotropes in the area? And even if it's in there, how do you know it's lightly guarded? or not guarded at all?

I can send in ANY operational plan to anyone, I actually did too, but whether or not that plan is "Operational" is another issue, NOT ALL PLANS are operational just because they are provided by someone, that's the joke we are making on you earlier.

The IRGC does NOT have thousands of forces at the site. Thats open terrain under heavy US surveillance. Limited Iranian forces can be overwhelmed by airborne/special forces/air power. Just look at Venezuela.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Unfortunately we have our own versions of "Baghdad Bobs"

C'mon it is reputed to be a low flying Search and Rescue chopper not some helicopter heading to some nuclear site with a infiltration team on some secret mission that got caught.

 

[KingQamaR]

Because Iran will obviously not be expecting it…. What a bunch of morons in Washington.

 

[Oscar]

well Iran damaged an F-35 and back in the safe 'ole USA it's...

Air Force F-35 crashes near Las Vegas; pilot survives with minor injuries

An F-35 fighter jet crashed near Las Vegas Tuesday, and authorities said the pilot sustained only minor injuries at the Nevada Test & Training Range.

www.foxnews.com

https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Display/Article/4363799/412th-test-wing-responds-to-f-16-crash/

Maybe we should move the aircraft fleet overseas where they will be safe.

Aircraft losses are inevitable - whether by enemy fire or the simple fact that thousands of parts working together in combination with internal and external stresses are supposed to just keep on going without failure never works.

Back in GW1 we had LGBs being dropped supersonic which were rated for max 500knot drops that led to misses and massive airframe stresses that got wing cracks going.

Secondly, stealth isnt a panacea and the F-117 over Serbia(which much more planned) is testament that changes in angles, drag friction and so on can provide enough of a signature for a lock and has happened before.

Considering we lost at least 7-9 airframes in KSA because we didnt consider Iranian BM accuracy and plain old Murphy's law shows some omissions were made. Not to mention ships being hit by either close calls or even debris from exploding IRGC systems.

But that isnt the problem, the problem is we are back at the same Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq BS of what the **** are we doing there if not to act as Israels bitch(thanks to the ultimate Manchurian candidate presidency and political system) who sold us "perfect" intelligence and then turns out they had not idea what the heck they are doing either.

Unlike the Israelis who really have zero morality in place and unlike the constant accusations to our fighting force there are many among them who do make an effort to avoid needless casualties where possible plainly because they are decent human beings(who will be either sidelined or removed entirely if Hegshit has his way). Within that view they get handed intel to go and strike targets and turns out the Iranians have simply put everything underground and since we already got intel from Israel that told us to lob a Tomahawk at a school with approval from Warsec who keeps using Islamophobic terms in his briefings - people are doing whatever they can to push back on targets that dont meet our criteria so all that is happening is flying around hitting random foot soldiers or whatever ancillary level military targets we can find but nothing that really will have the Mullah's surrendering.

Israel wants us to put boots on the ground into some meat grinder, the Saudis are pissed because we started this assuring them they will get another Shah whom they will be buddies with, and everyone else is looking at us like "We thought you were shit, we were wrong!" while domestically you are going to pay at least $5 for gas everywhere except Texas..

 

[Oscar]

C'mon it is reputed to be a low flying Search and Rescue chopper not some helicopter heading to some nuclear site with a infiltration team on some secret mission that got caught.

I dont think the context was the SAR chopper.

 

[F-22Raptor]

You're not looking hard enough then. Probably doesn't fit your view of the situation.

It wasn’t a rhetorical question. Where are your credible sources?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Trump Weighs Military Operation to Extract Iran’s Uranium​

Any move to seize the uranium by force would be complex and dangerous, former U.S. military officers and experts said, ranking among the most challenging operations ordered by Trump. The potential operation, which would likely trigger retaliation from Iran, could also lengthen the war well beyond the 4-6 week time frame that Trump’s team has publicly outlined.

Teams of U.S. forces would need to fly to the sites, likely under fire from Iranian surface-to-air missiles and drones. Once on site, combat troops would need to secure perimeters so that engineers with excavating equipment could search through debris and check for mines and booby traps.

The extraction of the material would likely need to be conducted by an elite special operations team specially trained to remove radioactive material from a conflict zone. The highly enriched uranium is likely contained in 40 to 50 special cylinders that resemble scuba tanks. They would need to be put into transportation casks to protect against accidents. That could fill several trucks, said Richard Nephew, a senior research scholar at Columbia University and a former nuclear negotiator with Iran.

Unless an airfield was available, a makeshift one would need to be set up to bring equipment in and take the nuclear material out. The entire operation would take days or even a week to complete, experts said.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-weighs-military-operation-to-extract-irans-uranium-37427c8b

US forces would fly in to to secure the Isfahan site. There are not “thousands” of IRGC at the site itself. This is mostly open terrain under heavy US surveillance.

I don't think that will work. Even if they grabbed a palette sitting in the middle of a floor in a bunker 2 miles underground there is no guarantee that is all of it.

 

[j_hungary]

The IRGC does NOT have thousands of forces at the site. Thats open terrain under heavy US surveillance. Limited Iranian forces can be overwhelmed by airborne/special forces/air power. Just look at Venezuela.

First of all, are you seriously comparing this to Venezuela? We have the element of surprise in Venezuela; they think we are just going to bomb them, they react accordingly, and we outsmart them by leaning in this stealth cloud.

We Fking tell Iran we are going to come and get their Nuclear Material after bombing them for 35 days. That's a different story.

Second, it's never an "open terrain" if it were, they wouldn't hide their nuclear material in "open terrain." you don't need to understand the concept of military intelligence to know that; all you need is common sense.

And finally, I don't know how much you think you know about Special Operations and Air Support. I RAN A TOC in Afghanistan. This isn't a Superman operation; we have had A-Teams being beaten by mountain people and asking for extraction, things that you would have NEVER heard of. It's not going to be this easy to think we can just fly in and get the material and fly out. The worst-case scenario is they WILL detonate those material and make a shithouse in the Entire Middle East.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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Blackhawk made it out of Iran

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Aircraft losses are inevitable - whether by enemy fire or the simple fact that thousands of parts working together in combination with internal and external stresses are supposed to just keep on going without failure never works.

Correct. But I do have to agree with @F-22Raptor that the US Air Force has really upped their game to have almost non-existent losses after a month of fighting and over 10,000 targets hit is amazing.

Considering we lost at least 7-9 airframes in KSA because we didnt consider Iranian BM accuracy and plain old Murphy's law shows some omissions were made.

Hey I already mentioned in a previous post those AWACS planes that got hit parked on a runway near the front lines should be mounted on pedestals in front of the Air Force Academy to remind future leaders not to be so incredibly stupid.

not to act as Israels bitch

Yes, but lets concentrate on the task at hand and we can save opening the firing squad thread for the stupid politicians later.

 

[dbc]

So no, US forces would not go through the IRGC they would fly over it, secure the site, setup defensive perimeters, and fly in excavation equipment, resupply, and build an an airstrip.

..after the airstrip we can build a Trump Tower with a golf course and spa.

 

[dbc]

its astounding how ready some Americans are to sacrifice some other Americans blood for bragging rights on the internet.

 

[mythbuster]

So no, US forces would not go through the IRGC they would fly over it, secure the site, setup defensive perimeters, and fly in excavation equipment, resupply, and build an an airstrip.

Sure , beautiful Iranian girls will be throwing rose petals on you when you land there .