US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Falcon29]

@F-22Raptor

Can you explain why we keep losing jets and Israeli's aren't ? How much more humiliation are we gonna take at hands of Trump administration? Europe will not help us in this war because of threats towards Greenland and Canada.

Are your Israeli cousins jamming our jets or shooting them down?

 

[Ali_Baba]

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An A-10 crashed near the Strait, the pilot was rescued.

For today.

Item 1 - 1 x F15 Downed - confirmed
Item 2 -1 x F16 CJ - possibly hit(issued emergency returning from Iraq) and crashed in Iraq? Status Unknown.
Item 3 -1 x A-10 Hit and crashed as per this post.
Item 4 -1 x A-10 Hit but limped back to Iraq.
Item 5 -1 x Black Hawk - hit, but limped home.
Item 6 -1 x F35 - news of a hit, but very vague, unlikely to be true as of now. Limped home ok?

Item 3, 4 maybe the same event, lots of confusion right now.

All today. Almost as if someone in Iranian AD got the wake up email today...

 

[Falcon29]

What are 'SEAD ' missions and why are we even doing them?

Is it putting our pilots lives at risk? Then stop doing them or ask Israel to do them because Israel started all this with its massive escalation of assassination the Iranian Supreme Leader.

Iran would have been more calculated and likely not struck at GCC or closed Strait of Hormuz if Israel didn't trigger the conflict in such a way

 

[j_hungary]

I want to thank you for composing this eloquent retort. Because whilst the optics of low flying PJs and blackhawks makes for "TactiCoool" optics.

The reality is far more bleak, think at the sheer risk each if those professionals exposed themselves to needlessly for an operation that continues to have convoluted aims and uncertain timelines.

The risk these men and women exposed themselves to may be lost on some but it is nothing short of impressive and frustrating at the same time.

Think for a moment about the families of these men and women in uniform and the uncertainty and fears they must feel and hold close to their chests?

Some may dismiss "but they know what they signed up for". Respectfully, unless you have worn a uniform and been in the mud and shit, please remain silent.

What a mess.

That's because the closest these people come to is playing video games. And the most serious decision these people made is what topping to add to their Pizza. They never had to make a decision that affects someone, and never have to risk losing people's lives because you misspoke or you just lost concentration momentarily.

I talked to a guy on the other forum, he is basically parroting what Trump's said, and saying the military is a gutless bunch by not "Bravely" following what the commander in chief says and going do this and going do that. That was around the time we had that Venezuela Operation.

The fact of the matter is, Bravery is not something you show or get; it's something you get pushed into, and unlike what most people think, the job of a leader is NOT to push people into this type of situation. EVERY LIFE IS IMPORTANT. You don't throw away people's lives unless you absolutely have to, because I can lose a couple of rounds, I can lose an artillery, I can lose a tank in battle, but once you lose a soldier under your command, that's not going to come back, and from a pure military standpoint. It's also taken the LONGEST for resupply. A leader does not waste people's lives for nothing; that's not bravery, that's stupidity. And you don't need to prove to anyone, to people under you or your command, that you are brave and will do whatever they tell you to do. That's not how the military works.

Some people think life is cheap in war, and can be taken out by a 20c bullet, which means it's worth nothing; it's because of that it should be the opposite. That is the most valuable tool you will ever have, and most important of all, people will not follow you into battle if you treat their lives like rubbish.

 

[j_hungary]

Once again, the operational plan to extract HEU has been presented to the President. That’s confirmed below. You believe it can’t be done, the Joint Chiefs believe otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/04/01/trump-commando-plan-seize-iran-uranium/

Oh, I believe it can be done, just how many people you will lose doing that is the issue here. Again, maybe if you are unsure, why don't you enlist and find out?

And as of this moment, you sounded exactly like @superboy

 

[F-22Raptor]

@F-22Raptor

Can you explain why we keep losing jets and Israeli's aren't ? How much more humiliation are we gonna take at hands of Trump administration? Europe will not help us in this war because of threats towards Greenland and Canada.

Are your Israeli cousins jamming our jets or shooting them down?

What humiliation? A handful of aircraft down after 13,000+ combat sorties?

Is perfection now the standard we have to meet to not be humiliated?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

For today.

Item 1 - 1 x F15 Downed - confirmed
Item 2 -1 x F16 CJ - possibly hit(issued emergency returning from Iraq) and crashed in Iraq? Status Unknown.
Item 3 -1 x A-10 Hit and crashed as per this post.
Item 4 -1 x A-10 Hit but limped back to Iraq.
Item 5 -1 x Black Hawk - hit, but limped home.
Item 6 -1 x F35 - news of a hit, but very vague, unlikely to be true as of now. Limped home ok?

Item 3, 4 maybe the same event, lots of confusion right now.

All today. Almost as if someone in Iranian AD got the wake up email today...

Iran managed to hit 6 US aircraft after US carried out more than 13,000 combat flights over their country?

Are you impressed by Iran or the US?

 

[F-22Raptor]

For today.

Item 1 - 1 x F15 Downed - confirmed
Item 2 -1 x F16 CJ - possibly hit(issued emergency returning from Iraq) and crashed in Iraq? Status Unknown.
Item 3 -1 x A-10 Hit and crashed as per this post.
Item 4 -1 x A-10 Hit but limped back to Iraq.
Item 5 -1 x Black Hawk - hit, but limped home.
Item 6 -1 x F35 - news of a hit, but very vague, unlikely to be true as of now. Limped home ok?

Item 3, 4 maybe the same event, lots of confusion right now.

All today. Almost as if someone in Iranian AD got the wake up email today...

2 aircraft lost, F-15 and A10, 1 Black Hawk that returned safely to base.

The Black Hawk was likely hit by small arms fire.

 

[j_hungary]

Good luck with that, bro'.

The self-anointed arm chair analyst who never did your job is apparently smarter than you.

Well, you know what they say.....

It's a good thing that there are only 1 Baghdad Bob out there, and I would surely hope there are only one here in this forum........

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran managed to hit 6 US aircraft after US carried out more than 13,000 combat flights over their country?

Are you impressed by Iran or the US?

It is impressive for "one day" but overall, the record is not that good.

 

[Sam6536]

What are 'SEAD ' missions and why are we even doing them?

Is it putting our pilots lives at risk? Then stop doing them or ask Israel to do them because Israel started all this with its massive escalation of assassination the Iranian Supreme Leader.

Iran would have been more calculated and likely not struck at GCC or closed Strait of Hormuz if Israel didn't trigger the conflict in such a way

The assassination was green lit by the US + their stakeholders in ME, the ones who matter anyway.

Israel doesn't have the capacity to work independently. US is not an accomplice but an primary proponent in this war.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Iran managed to hit 6 US aircraft after US carried out more than 13,000 combat flights over their country?

Are you impressed by Iran or the US?

US fifth gen fleet alone is over 1,000 aircraft today. F-35 deliveries just in the next couple months will exceed what the US has lost in this conflict.

 

[Falcon29]

What humiliation? A handful of aircraft down after 13,000+ combat sorties?

Is perfection now the standard we have to meet to not be humiliated?

It's humiliation because our administration cannot explain neither their military nor political objectives and this administration removed so many qualified military leadership and replaced it with people like Hegseth that don't know anything about war.

Iran doesn't have strong AA capabilities besides some of these loitering missiles they pull out from small hide outs just like the Houthi's in Yemen.

Why are we even using A10 attack jets for? How are our fighters crashing off the coast ? The coast of Iran has been heavily softened.

We had tankers crash into each other over Iraq and some tankers on ground in Saudi Arabia damaged by Iranian missile strikes.

It does not appear we sufficiently prepared for this mission and instead rushed into it because of the Israelis. In that case we must demand Israelis take on the more risky aspects of the operation and strike in Central and Eastern Iran instead of pinning this entire responsibility on the US.

The US is also trying to soften irans offensive capabilities along the coast and strait of Hormuz to prevent fire on oil tankers. Why is this responsibility on us only?

Trump put us in this war on behalf of Israel and GCC and they are not doing jack shit, leaving the entire fighting on us.

Trump administration incompetency is why this operation is not well planned out.

Iran is still regularly firing drones and missiles and same exact destinations on a daily basis despite the large scale degradation they've been subjected to.

It's also humiliation because he failed to get allies on board. For two reasons:

1.) His threats against Greenland means Europe feels betrayed and won't help

2.) Allowing Israelis to go way too far in Gaza means GCC and Saudi Arabia are reluctant to join the campaign due to domestic public backlash from their own populations where they'd be seen as fighting alongside Israel. They otherwise probably wanted to fight alongside the US but Gaza has made it a severe miscalculation to do so due to sensitivity of domestic Middle Eastern public to Gaza catastrophe

 

[mythbuster]

Forget American objectives for the war for a moment and let's give some thoughts to the Iranian objectives......what are these objectives right now ? Is Iran going to achieve them ? Are these objectives worth the price being paid for them ?

 

[جوبا]

The ease at which the US has been able to insert CSAR aircraft deep into Iran makes me think the uranium extraction operation might work. This operation could have the effect of encouraging Trump to move forward on ground operations.

Maybe this CSAR operation was a trial run to test out defenses