Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

Imo, Iranian civilians should be careful and not take this responsibility upon themselves

Iran overperformed so it's possibly nobody prepared for a situation like this. Capturing a pilot in mountainous areas and getting him to some location.

It's kind of like when Hamas broke into Israeli borders but didn't think through whether civilians would also try crossing in (which they did and made it worse ).

Iran is very big this isn't densely populated Gaza which has a whole task force for capturing prisoners and keeping them alive for years. Which they've doing since 2006. It is probably easier to get a captive inside Gaza very quickly to secret locations which is why Israel just bombs them immediately and every moving car in such scenario.

It's like searching for a needle in a haystack. It's not easy at all while the pilot goes into hiding.

 

[Immortals]

But at same where is the army or IRGC ground forces ? It seems like nobody was aware. It's possible the AA guy who shot down the F15 did not actually believe he shot it down and didn't corroborate that appropriately.

I'm also doubtful any reports of firefights. There is probably limited US special forces involved.

And I also think Israel is helping with airstrikes trail which they have extensive experience in

It’s been over 40+ hours since the crash and 3 major cities within a 2-6 hour drive. Iran def knows. They have access to Twitter just like you do.

 

[kobra]

I wanted to ask where is Army, IRGC spec ops after 40 hours, but stopped myself,....
Last we heard was, still local farmers and citizen police were engaging with Terrorists......

If after 40 plus hours, this is how the forces are moving, than what happens when the US israeli terrorists start ground ops?

are we only depending on missiles to counter every threat???

Drones too, Dont forget drones. A 7000 USD drone took out 500m dollars E3 of USAF in saudia.. Its war of attrition, they lost 5-6 planes yesterday. today they may have got their SWO back. tomorrow they may lose another few planes due to over confidence.

In war, each side have their days. When feeling arrogant, mistakes bound to happen. let see the outcome

 

[Falcon29]

Don't believe this guy. But if it ends up being true he needs to be legally liable for such leaks

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[kobra]

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[EugeneP]

if the US truly rescued this bastard, then Trump will certainly launch a very bold ground invasion. and by this evidence, Artesh and IRGC have zero preparedness or competence to counter such an invasion, and it will go extremely badly for Iran.

No. There isn't enough preparation or logistics for a ground invasion. Also, what exactly will be achieved with invading a country of Iran's size? Militarily, it will be a dog caught up with a fire engine situation. U.S. military couldn't do a damn thing with the garbage dump called Afghanistan. Other than create the largest dumpster fire in history.

 

[Aggregate]

The same mood made him attack Iran, after kidnapping Maduro. But it turned out very bad for him. If he wants to gamble again, it can turn out bad again.

We should not let our mood turn negative after shooting down 2 jets, damaging helicopter (wounding crew) and another A-10 in 1 single day. We do have to learn from mistakes and improve, war itself is a learning proces.

You are totally correct, everyone is ignoring the fact that 1 plane was shot down and then 2 helicopters were damaged (as per Western Media) and another Warthog plane was shot down in all of this, meanwhile it took US more than a day to rescue the pilot in a remotely undefended area, even with the advantage of knowing the location.

Everything from yesterday was a huge embarrassment for the US and even their own media were looking at pilot's rescue, as a something to get out of the fiasco after a string of embarrassments, not as some kind of a win. If anything, all front pages were insulting Trump and Hegseth at their false claims regarding Iranian air defenses.

Recovering him would not make all of this look any better for the US. I think Iran was very successful in making this all as embarrassing and loss making for the US as possible and US would actually be deterred a bit from a full invasion, knowing how much of a fiasco this one incident turned out to be.

 

[Falcon29]

It’s been over 40+ hours since the crash and 3 major cities within a 2-6 hour drive. Iran def knows. They have access to Twitter just like you do.

I'm referring the initial hours of the shot down. Within military circles.

Usually if something like this happens the military circles know before the public does.

This means Iranian AA operatives didn't believe it was shot down until reports came out. And Iranian army + IRGC network is much larger than small organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas so communicating that to appropriate parties on the ground may be an more extensive protocol

 

[Immortals]

What was special about this pilot to dedicate such military resources to capture?

Propaganda value. They don’t want Iran parading him on TV and making the U.S. and President look weak.

Do you think Russia does this stuff in Ukraine? No.

Do you think China would do this stuff? Also No.

 

[Falcon29]

why is this important? what does hitting a random administrative building in Kuwait achieve? does the US give a shit about it? does it harm the oil market?

Damages sense of security in the countries. The oil installations also are being hit. Investor confidence in GCC is going down. Has more long term effects. Insurance rates are very high due to closure of Hormuz Strait.

These nations cannot afford loss of sense of security like others can.

Israel is able to because it's home front is mainly undamaged except in severe scenarios like Oct.7. But also because Israel gets US and European economic backing to make up for it. And large investments by Jewish population around the world who not only invest but come buy property and sign up for Israeli citizenship too

 

[Persian Gulf]

No. There isn't enough preparation or logistics for a ground invasion. Also, what exactly will be achieved with invading a country of Iran's size? Militarily, it will be a dog caught up with a fire engine situation. U.S. military couldn't do a damn thing with the garbage dump called Afghanistan. Other than create the largest dumpster fire in history.

in Afghanistan the US immediately removed the Taliban from power and sent them hiding in caves for 20 years until they got bored and withdrew

 

[kobra]

Don't believe this guy. But if it ends up being true he needs to be legally liable for such leaks

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Jack Murphy, a US journalist and military commentator who previously served in U.S. Army Special Operations (including as a Green Beret). He is the co-founder of The High Side, hosts The Team House podcast, and reports on national security and covert operations.

I think he is right here. Considering his military background, he may have first hand inside news.

 

[Homajon]

I see people have started dooming again because Iran didn't send 1 million soldiers into the desert to find 1 guy without any air cover. For some reason they think Trump wasn't going to invade if they couldn't find this one pilot?

It's always the same, and they do it over and over again! One negative news and they have a total mental breakdown.
There can only be positive news, otherwise Iran is doomed!

 

[Immortals]

I'm referring the initial hours of the shot down. Within military circles.

Usually if something like this happens the military circles know before the public does.

This means Iranian AA operatives didn't believe it was shot down until reports came out. And Iranian army + IRGC network is much larger than small organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas so communicating that to appropriate parties on the ground may be an more extensive protocol

Locals found wreckage pretty quickly and Iran had announced targeting a fighter jet and hitting it just hours before.

The problem is the pilot didn’t fall in flat desert terrain like Iraq, he fell in very mountainous terrain. Like finding a needle in a hay stack. He has hundreds of places he can hide.

You would need helicopters or drones with thermal imaging to find him. Assets which Iran likely cannot field any longer in this war.

He fell in a nearby province that is 50x bigger than Gaza and nearly entirely mountainous

Not sure why people think Iran could find him
Faster than the combined resources of America and Israel

 

[r4hmed]

Does anyone know if they've evacuated the civillians on Kharg or if there are any plans to? I would not even want to imagine what happens to them when operations start