Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shui]

The military was telling Iranians to stay away from the site.

What nonsense is this? Especially when the military themselves were taking their own advice and in hiding ('we need to stay in the shadows, bro').

I would have mobilised half the damn country to find that pilot. You don't get opportunities like this twice.

But it's over. So now we have the end of Trump's 48 hour deadline to look forward to. Iran still refuses to do significant damage to Saudi Arabia's oil and gas facilities, so we can expect further significant infrastructure losses.

Dude, you just remind me of what a lot of Chinese were like when 1937 Nanking the capital city was fallen to the Japanese and people crying of surrender within the ruling party KMT and started all sorts of blaming.

 

[Optical216]

What is truly surprising and shocking is not that they managed to save the crew, but that in all the records of the incident, not a single member of the military or the IRGC is visible. We have instead seen police officers and regular civilians participating in the operation. What on earth? Heads need to roll.

Again. Failure of coordination

 

[PakFactor]

The military was telling Iranians to stay away from the site.

What nonsense is this? Especially when the military themselves were taking their own advice and in hiding ('we need to stay in the shadows, bro').

I would have mobilised half the damn country to find that pilot. You don't get opportunities like this twice.

But it's over. So now we have the end of Trump's 48 hour deadline to look forward to. Iran still refuses to do significant damage to Saudi Arabia's oil and gas facilities, so we can expect further significant infrastructure losses.

There's one thing I've been thinking about for the past few days: I understand why the Iranians would strike the GCC, and I'm completely fine with that; I would have done the same. But why not target Jordan? The palace and bases where the money king allows Western forces to offload supplies to Israel.

 

[Pogic]

Heads need to roll.

I think the Americans and Israelis are helping with that...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The second pilot being rescued is of no consequence. Iran's focus so far has been on air defence and firing missile strikes at enemy targets. Very little resources have been allocated to any ground operations thus far. That will dramatically change to the polar opposite if the americans are retarded enough to launch ground operations against Iran.

Before this war started, who HONESTLY believed that ANY nation apart from China and possibly russia could inflict this much damage and humiliation on the american military?

Iran is doing EXCEPTIONALLY well in this war against america and israel. However, everyone needs to be patient.

 

[Master Chief]

They took down A10s helis and now supposedly a c130 and 1more heli should be better but that's not nothing.

Anyway Iran eeds to impose more heavy costs. Costs and targets which are irreplaceable

That's why is said "heavy" specifically. It needs to be heavy enough to force the enemy to make alternative plans. USA can tolerate several, maybe more, material losses.

The losses inflicted by Iran's air defence is theoretically supposed to compensate for the lack of an air force. One only needs to think back to Somalia in 1993 where an intolerable price was exacted on the US in a similar scenario. Pakistan bailed a defeated US out that day, interestingly enough.

But I remain optimistic because you're right that some aircraft were hit. Iran simply needs to plug this gaping hole in its strategy with MANPADs for paramilitaries. It's doable.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

don't be surprised if Trump now authorises commando raids into IRGC-ASF SSM bases. if they can send hundreds of special forces 40km south of Esfahan without being detected for hours, they can already reach dozens of SSM bases easily.

Then they will feel the full might of Iranian ground forces.

 

[Shams313]

Iranian commanders should have spent on actual capability instead of their mouths.

this successful mission renders that USA can do any mission inside of Iran any time, killing, evacuating, target extraction, special extraction etc.

Just look at the mission, its not preplanned, its a quick repones within hrs. In upcoming days a lots of similar mission will be executed over Iran...

Boots on ground loading....within few months Iran will be next Iraq.

How come a country wants to fight USA doesn't have air force .What kind of dickheads was running this govt...

USA successfully executed this operation in the heart of Iran, and returned with minimum causalities. pathetic.

 

[Bahrami]

Like PersinaGulf I am kinda angry with the pilot situation.

However just 1 thought:

So far Iran acted very rational and predictable. No emotional reaction, just executing a plan which is mostly: keep the war going, inflict damage and do not let them win in escalation dominance.

Im equally shocked about the forward base in Isfahan region. But what if they simply said, it is not worth it for 1 US pilot. It is not worth it to invest valuable resources for 1 guy in the grand scheme of things.

Is that wish thinking of mine or is that realistic?

 

[mangekyo]

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[sharreman10]

Again. Failure of coordination

Explain it as you wish, but it remains a failure. I hope we are not equally ill-prepared should they initiate ground operations. We can, at the very least, conclude that the IRGC-AF is the only competent component of our defense.

 

[Kyussis]

Yes, the biggest problem for Iran to take away is not so much the relinquished airman but the inability to exact decisive tolls on low flying aircraft that were already at risk due to the nature of the op.

Iran can just about get away without a functional air force but it absolutely cannot last without an ability to repeatedly hit low flying aircraft with lethal effect. This bullet spraying from militiamen will not suffice - even Talibs can manage that.

Iran was planning an asymmetric war. To not include asymmetric air defence (e.g. lots of MANPADs) as part of that strategy is gross negligence.

How do we know that the A-10 that was shot down wasn't due to a Manpad?

 

[mangekyo]

Helicopters were surely shot down.

They don’t get “stuck in mud”, right?

So further casualties likely?

I haven’t seen mud in any of the photos so far. Neither from the wreckage site or the area in general.

 

[Shams313]

Then they will feel the full might of Iranian ground forces.

The entire Iranian ground force will be kabab in hrs...They are kind of fresh meat in front of USAs firepower.

Iran's luck is good that gulf countries haven't decided to flatten Iran yet even though Iran attacked em several times.

 

[Hayabusa]

All these aircraft listed the US has a crap load in reserve I'm not saying you're coping but your post is very exaggerated. US military puts a very high value for their men and woman and will go to great extremes even losing equipment by the $millions if it means bringing him back safely.

I don't think I am coping or exaggerating. But you are free to make your opinion as it won't affect me

I gave both sides effects of this rescue. Iran needs to step up its defences and detection capabilities after this event, and it couldn't come at a better time now. This is a wake up call.

For US, they cannot afford to sustain such losses in the long term. They have to carry out such huge operations after the loss of two pilots. Not imagine a scenario with 20 pilots. Do you think they will keep doing this?

You need to understand is an attritional warfare, as well as an economic one. Overtime, this CSAR operations ability will degrade as Iran continue improvising.