Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Master Chief]

They took down A10s helis and now supposedly a c130 and 1more heli should be better but that's not nothing.

Anyway Iran eeds to impose more heavy costs. Costs and targets which are irreplaceable

That's why is said "heavy" specifically. It needs to be heavy enough to force the enemy to make alternative plans. USA can tolerate several, maybe more, material losses.

The losses inflicted by Iran's air defence is theoretically supposed to compensate for the lack of an air force. One only needs to think back to Somalia in 1993 where an intolerable price was exacted on the US in a similar scenario. Pakistan bailed a defeated US out that day, interestingly enough.

But I remain optimistic because you're right that some aircraft were hit. Iran simply needs to plug this gaping hole in its strategy with MANPADs for paramilitaries. It's doable.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

don't be surprised if Trump now authorises commando raids into IRGC-ASF SSM bases. if they can send hundreds of special forces 40km south of Esfahan without being detected for hours, they can already reach dozens of SSM bases easily.

Then they will feel the full might of Iranian ground forces.

 

[Shams313]

Iranian commanders should have spent on actual capability instead of their mouths.

this successful mission renders that USA can do any mission inside of Iran any time, killing, evacuating, target extraction, special extraction etc.

Just look at the mission, its not preplanned, its a quick repones within hrs. In upcoming days a lots of similar mission will be executed over Iran...

Boots on ground loading....within few months Iran will be next Iraq.

How come a country wants to fight USA doesn't have air force .What kind of dickheads was running this govt...

USA successfully executed this operation in the heart of Iran, and returned with minimum causalities. pathetic.

 

[Bahrami]

Like PersinaGulf I am kinda angry with the pilot situation.

However just 1 thought:

So far Iran acted very rational and predictable. No emotional reaction, just executing a plan which is mostly: keep the war going, inflict damage and do not let them win in escalation dominance.

Im equally shocked about the forward base in Isfahan region. But what if they simply said, it is not worth it for 1 US pilot. It is not worth it to invest valuable resources for 1 guy in the grand scheme of things.

Is that wish thinking of mine or is that realistic?

 

[mangekyo]

 

[sharreman10]

Again. Failure of coordination

Explain it as you wish, but it remains a failure. I hope we are not equally ill-prepared should they initiate ground operations. We can, at the very least, conclude that the IRGC-AF is the only competent component of our defense.

 

[Kyussis]

Yes, the biggest problem for Iran to take away is not so much the relinquished airman but the inability to exact decisive tolls on low flying aircraft that were already at risk due to the nature of the op.

Iran can just about get away without a functional air force but it absolutely cannot last without an ability to repeatedly hit low flying aircraft with lethal effect. This bullet spraying from militiamen will not suffice - even Talibs can manage that.

Iran was planning an asymmetric war. To not include asymmetric air defence (e.g. lots of MANPADs) as part of that strategy is gross negligence.

How do we know that the A-10 that was shot down wasn't due to a Manpad?

 

[mangekyo]

Helicopters were surely shot down.

They don’t get “stuck in mud”, right?

So further casualties likely?

I haven’t seen mud in any of the photos so far. Neither from the wreckage site or the area in general.

 

[Shams313]

Then they will feel the full might of Iranian ground forces.

The entire Iranian ground force will be kabab in hrs...They are kind of fresh meat in front of USAs firepower.

Iran's luck is good that gulf countries haven't decided to flatten Iran yet even though Iran attacked em several times.

 

[Hayabusa]

All these aircraft listed the US has a crap load in reserve I'm not saying you're coping but your post is very exaggerated. US military puts a very high value for their men and woman and will go to great extremes even losing equipment by the $millions if it means bringing him back safely.

I don't think I am coping or exaggerating. But you are free to make your opinion as it won't affect me

I gave both sides effects of this rescue. Iran needs to step up its defences and detection capabilities after this event, and it couldn't come at a better time now. This is a wake up call.

For US, they cannot afford to sustain such losses in the long term. They have to carry out such huge operations after the loss of two pilots. Not imagine a scenario with 20 pilots. Do you think they will keep doing this?

You need to understand is an attritional warfare, as well as an economic one. Overtime, this CSAR operations ability will degrade as Iran continue improvising.

 

[PakSword]

Few advantages the the US had:

1 - complete air superiority
2 - precise location of the pilot
3 - lack of enemy's ability to mobilize quickly

Knowledge of the precise location when you know that there's no Air Force left of the enemy is in itself such a huge advantage that you can search for the landing sites around the area, plan the full operation with the full knowledge of terrain with the help of advanced satellites and continuously bomb from above the surroundings to keep the enemy engaged.

Iran only had an upper hand in the missile and drone technology. My question is that why Iran didn't fire missiles when she knew there are no air defences to protect the US commandos?

 

[newb3e]

Supporting failures of Iran blindly will help no one. Iran had plenty of time to capture the pilot(s) when the location of downed aircraft was known.

we can just hope tht rectify their mistake next time!

 

[Master Chief]

How do we know that the A-10 that was shot down wasn't due to a Manpad?

Fair point. But much more needed. That occurred yesterday and it seems Iran had certain vectors covered either by MANPAD or something else. The Americans chose a different entry point and succeeded.

Like I say, Iran isn't far off. Just plug these significant gaps in the network.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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What second "pilot"? Was some else extra shot down ???

ie "in addition to a successful rescue of another brave pilot yesterday"

We know about 2 lost A-10s, a possible F16CJ and this F15 ..

 

[Optical216]

The entire Iranian ground force will be kabab in hrs...They are kind of fresh meat in front of USAs firepower.

Iran's luck is good that gulf countries haven't decided to flatten Iran yet even though Iran attacked em several times.

Gulf can't flatten for crap. They would be hit with missile after missile...