Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Corax said:
Well we all agree about israel, the indians have already stabbed you in the back, and they're meant to you be your friends. We want to stop Iranians being killed, if you think that's backstabbing, can't help you with that. We'd equally like to see you keep fighting the Americans and israelis, but don't want to see Iranians being hurt.
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When Indians Attacked Pakistan in that skirmish we had recently and a third country had said stand down cos we dont want Pakistanis to die what would we have said? would we have stood down?
 
Immortals said:
A one sided defense treaty in exchange for money and oil to keep the lights on? What do you call that?

Does anyone here really think that traitor and U.S. cuck MBS would ever support Pakistan if Israel and India attack it? Even Trump said MBS has to kiss my ass.

Iran would support Pakistan much more in such an event than Saudi Arabia.

Relying on MBS is relying on a snake who is in bed with Zionists and Americans. He would sell Pakistan in a heartbeat if it meant he keeps his throne.
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How is it one-sided? Do you know all the details?

Now on to the brass-tacks: Easy to sit on vast amount of oil reserves and pass judgements on others who literally have to build their nation from nothing but sand and gravel.

We go by the track-record. Chahbahar, lack-luster support on IIOK etc. are things that we have seen from the Iranian government. KSA has been a stalwart supporter of the Pakistani government. Ideally we don't want to be dependent on anyone but Pakistan does not need MBS to fight our wars, we do that with our OWN hands, every single time since our founding. However, we can use the Saudi job market, we can use the oil subsidies etc. to our advantage and that is what Pakistan has done practically. Our relations with KSA go way back before MBS was even conceived so our deals/pacts are not personality based.

Second, Pakistan has not let its relations with KSA impact our relations with Iran. This is the REASON for Pakistan to want to broker peace.

Just the same way you look at MBS, the Saudis look at Iran Sus
 
ShapurII said:
Iranians are the same people that ran over minefields during the Iraq-Iran war for the love of their country, in one of the world's largest classic wars since WWII.
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Americans will always give impression that only they love their country, and no one else can or should. If you ask a American will you fight if someone invade US they will say yes we will fight and die, and kill everyone and anyone, but the moment you say that so the Iraqi's or others who were fighting your invasion are same as you, they will stutter so bad.
People should be kept from harm but i don't see any Iranian Army pointing guns at those women and children to push them infront of these Power plants and hold them hostage there, and since when they give a crap about Iranians ? first you send weapons to have a civil war, when that failed you killed 180 Iranian children, and constantly bombing civilian areas and now they gives a shit? like I said its cringy that they don't see the irony in their own statements.
 
Abdul q said:
all this boasting… can we have a separate thread for this shyt?
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It doesn't interest me to be honest. I am here for the recent updates on the war, not pointless discussions.
 
r3alist said:
It's literally getting the most favorable treatment, so in terms of relative advantage it is very very content
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US is strangling Chinas energy supply from stealing Venezuelan oil and now it’s attempt on Iranian oil . China will need oil supply if it ever decides to invade break away Taiwan. Don’t focus to much on trade deals this is the bigger geopolitical issue for China.
 
mangekyo said:
Unless we can develop and test a nuke uninterrupted, I don’t see how a ceasefire could be favorable to us.
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Sir, what I think is being mooted is a cessation for some period to allow meaningful and conclusive talks to take place before things go into an apocalyptic spiral.

2 weeks two days five days, Pakistan can only suggest some time period that notionally satisfies the main parties.

If it does not succeed then fine, who here in Pakistan even from official sources is suggesting iran surrender




Apparently this is how Iranian friends are now seeing Pakistan.
 
Starlord said:
Americans will always give impression that only they love their country, and no one else can or should. If you ask a American will you fight if someone invade US they will say yes we will fight and die, and kill everyone and anyone, but the moment you say that so the Iraqi's or others who were fighting your invasion are same as you, they will stutter so bad.
People should be kept from harm but i don't see any Iranian Army pointing guns at those women and children to push them infront of these Power plants and hold them hostage there, and since when they give a crap about Iranians ? first you send weapons to have a civil war, when that failed you killed 180 Iranian children, and constantly bombing civilian areas and now they gives a shit? like I said its cringy that they don't see the irony in their own statements.
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Exactly. These people are forming human chains because they want to protect their infrastructure, because they love their country. Nobody is forcing them to go there.

Tell the "expats" in GCC or Israel to do the same. See how many of them will show up to save their infrastructure.
 
KingQamaR said:
US is strangling Chinas energy supply from stealing Venezuelan oil and now it’s attempt on Iranian oil . China will need oil supply if it ever decides to invade break away Taiwan. Don’t focus to much on trade deals this is the bigger geopolitical issue for China.
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China is just seeing America reduce its global footprint in the middle East and is more than happy to play The long game, just like they have done in every other middle East episode of the last 10 years.
 
Israel is running out of defenses! This is why they want a ceasefire! The interceptor for david’s sling was from January of this year! Why would you be spending your newest lots if you have older ones?!

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Aryan_B said:
When Indians Attacked Pakistan in that skirmish we had recently and a third country had said stand down cos we dont want Pakistanis to die what would we have said? would we have stood down?
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No, but both Pakistan and India were looking for off-ramp before things got really destructive. This is what Pakistan is advising both sides.

For some odd reason, the entire chagrin is at Pakistan very unfairly. I can guarantee, sometime down the road, Pakistan will be lamenting and reminding "See, we told you all".
 
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