Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tower9]

China shall play the low-profile during the 1990-2020, it was indeed a strategic brilliance.

But now you have become an elephant in the room, and you can no longer hide yourself.

The US elites are not fools either, they can all read your motivation by your action, not your commentary.

Doesn’t matter what they think, we are already on the other side of China surpassing the US. Now the world just needs to manage US decline, which Trump is speed running.

 

[Shui]

China shall play the low-profile during the 1990-2020, it was indeed a strategic brilliance.

But now you have become an elephant in the room, and you can no longer hide yourself.

The US elites are not fools either, they can all read your motivation by your action, not your commentary.

I mean you said that China is going to surpass US in every sectors in a few years is exaggerated.

 

[MNZGamerX]

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I guess you mean north africans + Palestine , Yemen and Lebanon.
well, for a prosperous middle east = no american bases that's our first demand , normal relations with Iran, if we can get rid of israel that will be a bonus.

Gulf countries need to chill and accept the new order in the middle east or else they need to face consequences of their betryal.

dealing with other superpowers like China or Russia is better for us to be honest, our camp david aggrement with u.s and israel only brought disasters to Egypt ( bad military equipments and bad economy) .. Egypt Iran and Yemen control the most important straits and canals ( Hormuz,Ban el mandab and Suez) we need to build up on that.

Yes, the western countries (maybe bar the US and Israel) can still be dealt as normal trading partners, but you cannot let them or other nations to control the fate of the Middle East.

The Sunni Arabs and Iranian Shias can still overcome the difference for better ties.

 

[tower9]

Well, if you can go to see the Chinese community among the military/geopolitics, and you can see many people have more qualification than most think tanks in the US by having a deeper understanding of the human history.

Because Chinese aren’t brainwashed by Zionists who love to destroy logic and reasoning.

 

[ShapurII]

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Trump reposts Araghchi’s statement confirming the US and Iran have agreed a 2 week ceasefire and the U.S. has accepted Iran’s 10 point framework to discuss a permanent end to the war

The strange part is that Iran’s points violate American redlines, so it remains to be seen if the U.S. will ultimately agree to such points or if the U.S. is simply fooling Iran again

Bro, remember the first round of negotiations?
Don't you remember how surprised the Iranian team was when the Americans accepted nearly all of our conditions without challenging them?
Don't you remember what happened in the end?

 

[Immortals]

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Trump reposts Araghchi’s statement confirming the US and Iran have agreed a 2 week ceasefire and the U.S. has accepted Iran’s 10 point framework to discuss a permanent end to the war

The strange part is that Iran’s points violate American redlines, so it remains to be seen if the U.S. will ultimately agree to such points or if the U.S. is simply fooling Iran again

Oh the guy who was Zarif’s deputy negotiator for JCPOA is promising the U.S. agreed to Iran’s 10 point wishlist. Same way Zarif fraudulently sold JCPOA to the government and claimed Arak reactor was never filled with cement.

Don’t you find it strange just days after Zarif published the surrender article in FP and few days after an alleged targeted meeting of IRGC commanders that also killed the intelligence chief for IRGC….and the day after one of the Larijani brothers goes on national television and is telling Iran not to overplay its hand…that Iran suddenly agrees to a deal it refused for weeks?

Something is very strange about this deal and my thinking is that Mojtaba might be more of a reformist than we thought (had decent ties in the UK).

Either way IRGC was ready for a true world altering battle. But once again the Larijani’s, Reformists, Bazaari’s, and pragmatics decided to embarrass the country and sue for peace.

 

[Garcia Sea]

It's over. Iran has been completely fooled once again. Trump, in an attempt to get Iran to accept a ceasefire, declared the 10 points he had supposedly approved to be fabricated and completely abandoned them. The illusion didn't last even a day. Trump has now stated that Iran has only agreed to the obligation to unconditionally open the Strait of Hormuz. And in the negotiations that will begin soon, Iran will be ordered to disarm. It's game over.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I mean you said that China is going to surpass US in every sectors in a few years is exaggerated.

Even the US elites have this deep anxious as the rare earth sanction has crippled their strategic industries, and it will be impossible for them to build a new supply chain from scratch without many decades of investment, and they just don't want to openly admit their fatal weakness.

We know that Chinese have a strategic habit of '料敌从宽' of never underestimating your enemy even they look at their weakest point.

But China keeps its current trend looks almost unstoppable, and we need to keep vigilant with another decade of peaceful development will be ideal.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran’s 10 point plan includes:

Iranian control over Strait of Hormuz
Right to enrich uranium
NO limits on missile program
Full sanctions relief
Return of all frozen assets

The U.S. could have got this deal ages ago. Iran has not compromised on any of its core demands, it’s just weaker now. But these terms are not agreed and the U.S. has no honour, it cannot be trusted to abide by any agreement.

It’s a shame we didn’t extract a bigger cost from them. And I hope we did not abandon Hezbollah.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Because Chinese aren’t brainwashed by Zionists who love to destroy logic and reasoning.

However, most Chinese tend to develop a habit to underestimate itself, but keep overestimating its enemies.

 

[Immortals]

 

[ShapurII]

Oh the guy who was Zarif’s deputy negotiator for JCPOA is promising the U.S. agreed to Iran’s 10 point wishlist. Same way Zarif fraudulently sold JCPOA to the government and claimed Arak reactor was never filled with cement.

Don’t you find it strange just days after Zarif published the surrender article in FP and few days after an alleged targeted meeting of IRGC commanders that also killed the intelligence chief for IRGC….and the day after one of the Larijani brothers goes on national television and is telling Iran not to overplay its hand…that Iran suddenly agrees to a deal it refused for weeks?

Something is very strange about this deal and my thinking is that Mojtaba might be more of a reformist than we thought (had decent ties in the UK).

Either way IRGC was ready for a true world altering battle. But once again the Larijani’s, Reformists, Bazaari’s, and pragmatics decided to embarrass the country and sue for peace.

I have a serious question.

How do we know for certain that Ali Khamenei is dead?
Nobody has seen his corpse after 40 days!

 

[Lulldapull]

War will continue after two weeks as those 10 points negotiated in any capacity is clear and decisive Iran victory for which it is hard to believe that enemy will accept, it is just incredible that Iran managed to put its own paper on negotiation table in comparation when they were bullied and presented with jewish crusader ones before the war, in that sense this is astonishing outcome for Iran.
But if i am proven wrong and these negotiations yield permanent peace agreement it will boost Iran as clear world super power and render gulf countries as relict of post colonial times, jewish entity on mercy of iranian and american balances of power and many other emerged geopolitical divergences in favor of Iran.
I have to repeat it is really hard to conceive that it will be allowed for Iran to be splashed with endless money inflow due consequences of agreement which would allow them further enhancement and gap removals in their military structure at this point as if this agreement and materialized Iran would be untouchable after couple of years after all weapon purchases and upgrades.

Do we know if reparations to Iran are an agreed point in this precarious ceasefire? Hard to believe Iran accepting anything without reparations on the table.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Does it matter?

Modi is a goddamn joke and India is more irrelevant than ever. His judgement is so stupid and off all the time. He bet on Iran collapsing, it is still standing and Pakistans position as a geopolitical heavyweight has cemented.

It matters because the Indian FM has called Pakistan a "dallal". Indian media has reportedly very negatively regarding Pakistan's role to bring peace between Iran and the US.