Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
Israel has been systematically killing pro IRGC guys,
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We were mostly losing guys over the age of 65 years old who should have been retired anyway. We were cleansing the system and giving the youth (use that term loosely) a chance to lead the IRGC in a new war instead of just relics from 1980s.

Persian Gulf said:
but this framework and ceasefire will have been agreed by the SNSC so it’s not just a few reformists who wanted it
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SNSC has Pezeshkian and other reformists. Mojtaba is a guy who spent a lot of time in UK and find it hard to believe some hardliner is gonna be spending time UK. Larijani Sr was on the national television trying to sell a deal to the nation and whoever was listening . Zarif with his master Rouhani’s blessing was back to surrendering the nation of Iran to America for pennies on the dollar .

Persian Gulf said:
As for the IRGC being ready for a world altering battle, their firing rates were simply too low for that and they failed to deter Israel from hitting our core infrastructure at will
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Clearly you are not an economics guy because your mind sees the world only in kinetic and tactical success. But if government would have waged just 2 more weeks of war, it would have irreparably harmed the global economy and secured Iran’s security for decades. If Trump went thru with his fake threat Iran would have taken the the remaining 6-7MBPD of Saudi oil off the market as well. It was refraining from doing this to avoid escalation and potentially drawing Saudi Arabia in and upsetting Pakistan. Also Houthi’s would have closed the Al Mandeb strait if Trump carried out his threat.

And Iranian missiles would have scored some hits on Israeli refineries and added to their pain. Sure, Iran couldn’t level Israel or cause similar destruction Israel was doing, I always told you they couldn’t and certainty not with less than 750 missiles fired. Missiles can never make up for what 10,000+ bombs can do.

Nonetheless, Iran was on pace for a grand finish that would have taken the world down to the sanctions it suffered for 40 years, but once again backed out because of 5th column traitors.

Any Iranian celebrating this 10 point garbage that Zarif and Rouhani’s lackey is trying to sell the nation needs their intelligence throughly unquestioned . Much like those who sat here and for years and told us responding via deterrence doesn’t matter, and that Iran was expanding and beating the west. Or that “no nukes, no negotiations, no war” was a solid plan alongside “strategic patience”.
 
Persian Gulf said:
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Who believes the U.S. will agree to these terms? They are too good to be true. The U.S. may be up to something nefarious and without honour, as usual.
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Absolutely right.

These 10 points if agreed will make Iran a super power within 20 years.

Imagine Iran having a navy and an air force with Chinese equipment plus nukes plus a lot of money. Iran will be like "Pakistan Pro Max Turbo Charged".
 
Persian Gulf said:
Trump’s own statement says he agrees that Iran’s 10 point plan is a good framework
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Persian Gulf said:
Who believes the U.S. will agree to these terms? They are too good to be true. The U.S. may be up to something nefarious and without honour, as usual.
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What do they say? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, what?
 
Congratulations to Iranian friends and the mediating countries with the foremost being Pakistan to achieve this. If implemented it can be a tactical victory for Iran to heal some wounds and plan-organise against future attacks.

But there is always a ploy, a glitch in the negotiations because the other side of the negotiation has a hidden agenda and likes to cheat as shown in the previous negotiation attempts. Some mentioned that usa wont accept Iranian items and wont prolong the ceasefire. It is possible but there is also international pressure on trump it wont be that easy and at least as long as there is some progress it will be prolonged. Iran's items are logical and mandatory for self sustainance and security of the country. Standing firm and logical without getting angry-reactionary staying on the Hilm side and not leaving negotiations is enough for Iran. Meanwhile Oman-Iran SoH management framework can mature as a legalised framework that will strengthen both countries hands.

Another thing is isreal is still in the equation even in truce. Their operations over Labennon continues and will include Yemen, Iraq soon. What they can try is isreal continiously make attacks on Iranian energy, oil infra to provoke an Iranian reaction against gulf countries. isreal will act as a truce saboteur but it is all pre-planned with usa. Then after an Iranian response usa will try getting support from regional countries and try to show Iran as the aggressor to restart the military campaign. Once usa is out of the mix it would be better for Iran to hit isreal only and directly or through allied forces from Yemen, Labennon and Iraq. Maybe Jordanian air defences can also be added to the target mix as their rulers act as a shield protecting isreal. Assasinating Iranian leadership by albms or similar to sabotage the truce is also a possibility for isreal so Iran should be careful about this as well
 
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Garcia Sea said:
Here is a summary of CNN's report from the scene in English.

Trump ridiculed CNN report that the US had accepted a 10 point plan as the basis for negotiations, calling it a fabrication and directing his criticism at CNN as well. Trump: "This false statement is fake news."
Instead, Trump referred to Araghchi statement that the Strait of Hormuz would be opened for the next two weeks.
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Did he forget his own post?
 
PakSword said:
Absolutely right.

These 10 points if agreed will make Iran a super power within 20 years.

Imagine Iran having a navy and an air force with Chinese equipment plus nukes plus a lot of money. Iran will be like "Pakistan Pro Max Turbo Charged".
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Yes, but would it be 5G?
 
Musings said:
They have run out of Burnol.
Holding 14 days of national mourning.
Modi is ringing Netanyahu who has blocked him.
Not lookkng good bro
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dr.coomer said:
Governor-General of the country
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Well they should have kept Chief of Defence forces (CDS) title for today.. It has become utterly difficult for PDF to reach conclusion of what post should be awarded to Asim Munir.. Let’s arrange a mediator.. How about India?? Something should be given to them too..
 
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Iran gave up its greatest leverage card for nothing but a pinkie promise and to maybe take “some” concessions into account during the next 2 weeks. In the end, the Mossad agents Jared and Witkoff will once again demand zero enrichment and full turnover of HEU and no missile development for a decade. And this government will parade it as a win.

This is the most retarded government I have ever seen in my life and I live in America which is saying something.
 
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