Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[nervouscar]

AFter watching israel northern campaign persistence one cannot avoid noticing a policy of expansion to north taking lebanon land slowly ...
Interesting book i found online which show alternative greater israel map made by rabbi isaac 1916(on page 318) .here notice borders exceeding far north. This maybe adopted near future policy of israel

 

[ShapurII]

And it’s supplying intel, which is already part of the the relationship.

Nobody is supplying Iran with real-time intel. The number of Americans killed in the US bases around us is the best proof of that.

If Iran had real-time intel, the US casualties would've quickly exceeded 1K-2K with 100-200 deaths.

 

[Goenitz]

PAF should escort the iranian planes and remain in the air over Tehran for atleast 3-4 more hours to ensure everyone reaches their bunkers and secret places.

sure.. However, IDF can breach Iranian airspace by a CM, exactly at the moment when the planes land or the convoy is on the move.
So, it requires more than the air cover.

 

[Brutal.]

No need to blame anyone. The divide was too large to bridge. There is simply no solution.

Why is US hell bent on preventing Irani nukes though? Even N.korea has nukes. Its for deterrence not to blow up other countries.

 

[Wingzero30]

Its very evident that complete destruction of Iran is desired and they wont stop any short of that.

Iran is the final country in the middle east standing against the evil entity's desire for complete domination of the region (Majority of arabs gave up the fight long time ago).

God forbid If Iran were to fall in this war and have pahlavists as the new regime with that cuck Reza installed on the throne, then sadly we will be seeing the whole middle east under the boots of the zionist terrorists for a long time

 

[Goenitz]

According to reports, the United States has presented Iran with a demand for unconditional surrender, including the complete abandonment of uranium enrichment, the unconditional opening of the Strait of Hormuz, and even the refusal to return frozen assets. Araghchi and his men had not foreseen this and were likely dreaming of equal negotiations; Iran has once again been deceived.

if such things are true, then how did negotiations start? as it all started on the premise that Iran's points are workable.
Now, if JD put those demands, it meant he was not as serious as Kushner and Witkoff

 

[ShapurII]

Why is US hell bent on preventing Irani nukes though? Even N.korea has nukes. Its for deterrence not to blow up other countries.

Because it changes the balance of power in the Middle East and the US cannot allow that to happen.

I mean look at this war. Iran is fighting two nuclear states bravely without nukes. Now imagine Iran had nuclear deterrence as well.

if such things are true, then how did negotiations start? as it all started on the premise that Iran's points are workable.
Now, if JD put those demands, it meant he was not as serious as Kushner and Witkoff

The US needed this pause to rearm and regroup and the Chinese forced us to give it to them.

 

[KAL-EL]

Why is US hell bent on preventing Irani nukes though? Even N.korea has nukes. Its for deterrence not to blow up other countries.

I agree it is for deterrence. I guess the US thinks Iran is not irrational actor and will use a nuke the moment it gets one.

To that I say I don't think Iran wants to commit national suicide.

I also think Saudi Arabia and other Middle East nations will then feel the need to go nuclear as well.

 

[TallGuy]

Gentlemen,
first issue at hand is how Pakistan Make sure that Iranians go back safe and sound.

 

[SolarWarden]

I am sure the Iranians have been delivered a good numbers of MANPADs.

This will give headaches to the US & Israel.

Iran already has a cht load on manpads that is not the problem.

 

[mangekyo]

The US needed this pause to rearm and regroup and the Chinese forced us to give it to them.

How does China force us to do anything? Russia also has veto if that’s what you mean they’re pressuring us with?

 

[Tabmachine]

According to reports, the United States has presented Iran with a demand for unconditional surrender, including the complete abandonment of uranium enrichment, the unconditional opening of the Strait of Hormuz, and even the refusal to return frozen assets. Araghchi and his men had not foreseen this and were likely dreaming of equal negotiations; Iran has once again been deceived.

The iranians made it clear beforehand they had no trust in the other side. Maybe they had "a fools hope" as Gandalf would say.

Well Mordor is now sending the world towards "eternal darkness" as the Zionists would say.

 

[ShapurII]

How does China force us to do anything? Russia also has veto if that’s what you mean they’re pressuring us with?

China buys most of our oil and has the veto power in the UNSC. Even Trump said it publicly that he asked the Chinese to "convince" Iranians to accept the ceasefire.

The Russians didn't use their veto power last time. They wouldn't have used it this time either, had China told them not to do it.

Do you think it was a coincidence that voting on Bahrain's UNSC proposal was delayed twice until the day that Iran accepted the ceasefire?

 

[brazensword]

Araghchi and his men had not foreseen this and were likely dreaming of equal negotiations; Iran has once again been deceived.

They weren't. Iran need the time to reposition missile assets in the meanwhile. They needed the breather to reopen lost tunnels.

 

[mangekyo]

China buys most of our oil and has the veto power in the UNSC. Even Trump said it publicly that he asked the Chinese to "convince" Iranians to accept the ceasefire.

The Russians didn't use their veto power last time. They wouldn't have used it this time either, had China told them not to do it.

Do you think it was a coincidence that voting on Bahrain's UNSC proposal was delayed twice until the day that Iran accepted the ceasefire?

But we didn’t accept the American demands, so where does that fit in your theory?