Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[kimjongun]

GIDS Fattah 2 ER-Rockets were used to target Barnala IACCS, Punjab (2 x ER Rockets), Hisar airport near dehli (2 x ER Rockets) and Sirsa AFS (2 x ER Rockets)

All of these were intercepted except one that fell near Barnala IACCS

All of these intercepted by S-400 SAM System, these GIDS Fattah 2 ER-Rockets flew parabolic trajectory

That is why need Tactical Aero-Ballistic Missiles.

And most of these interceptions were done by the MRSAMs not the S400 , s400 is too big of a system to be intercepting small MLRS , MRSAMs are there backbone , if we can take out a critical battery alongside the s400 then i will be a huge succes for us

 

[Bilal]

And most of these interceptions were done by the MRSAMs not the S400 , s400 is too big of a system to be intercepting small MLRS , MRSAMs are there backbone , if we can take out a critical battery alongside the s400 then i will be a huge succes for us

Russia has been using to shoot down rockets with S400 in Ukraine.

 

[TallGuy]

And most of these interceptions were done by the MRSAMs not the S400 , s400 is too big of a system to be intercepting small MLRS , MRSAMs are there backbone , if we can take out a critical battery alongside the s400 then i will be a huge succes for us

may be but is our case it was the S-400 SAM System

 

[Sparten]

may be but is our case it was the S-400 SAM System

Excellent. Fatah 2 being used as a lethal decoy. Thats 12 interceptors expended.

 

[Bilal]

may be but is our case it was the S-400 SAM System

Just to clarify, it was Fatah 2 the 400Km missile or the yet undeclared/semi-declared ~250Km guided rocket?

 

[farooqbhai]

There was around 5 Fatah MLRS hits off target near Mamun, 3 off target from pathankot AFS. Then around 2 hits on Udhampur AFS and 1 hit on a IA Cantt next to Udhampur AFS, then there was a bunch of hits in the IA Compound in Beas, and another Fatah hit at a CRPF base in sri nagar.

 

[TallGuy]

There was around 5 Fatah MLRS hits off target near Mamun, 3 off target from pathankot AFS. Then around 2 hits on Udhampur AFS and 1 hit on a IA Cantt next to Udhampur AFS, then there was a bunch of hits in the IA Compound in Beas, and another Fatah hit at a CRPF base in sri nagar.

Farooq Sir,
Strikes that you alluding to are with GIDS Fattah 1 (140km/150kg - Guided Rockets)

am i correct in this assumption?

 

[TallGuy]

Just to clarify, it was Fatah 2 the 400Km missile or the yet undeclared/semi-declared ~250Km guided rocket?

yes , these were GIDS Fattah 2 ER-Rockets with 400km range (320-350kg warhead)

Just to clarify
GIDS Fattah 1 GMRLS 8 x rockets/1 x TEL (140km/150kg FE Warhead)
GIDS Fattah 2 ER Rockets (2 x Rockets/1 x TEL) upto 400km range claimed - 320-350kg warhead.

 

[Bilal]

yes , these were GIDS Fattah 2 ER-Rockets with 400km range (320-350kg warhead)

Just to clarify
GIDS Fattah 1 GMRLS 8 x rockets/1 x TEL (140km/150kg FE Warhead)
GIDS Fattah 2 ER Rockets (2 x Rockets/1 x TEL) upto 400km range claimed - 320-350kg warhead.

This thing was supposed to have advance trajectory to overcome air defense systems. So it’s just parabolic/pure ballistic.

 

[TallGuy]

This thing was supposed to have advance trajectory to overcome air defense systems. So it’s just parabolic/pure ballistic.

Sir, these are rockets with parabolic trajectories we must not compare rockets with Tactical Ballistic missiles or even aero ballistic missiles.

tactical ballistic missile can perform limited change in trajectory in dive that is 75 Degree or 90 degree. On other hand aero-ballistic missiles have the capability to perform random manuvere in flight due MaRV.

for reference look at eskander SSM for TBM and Khybar Shikan II or Fattah 2 (Irainian) as aeroballistic missile.

@kimjongun
I am sure resident rocket man at PDF can offer more insight.

 

[Bilal]

Sir, these are rockets with parabolic trajectories we must not compare rockets with Tactical Ballistic missiles or even aero ballistic missiles.

tactical ballistic missile can perform limited change in trajectory in dive that is 75 Degree or 90 degree. On other hand aero-ballistic missiles have the capability to perform random manuvere in flight due MaRV.

for reference look at eskander SSM for TBM and Khybar Shikan II or Fattah 2 (Irainian) as aeroballistic missile.

@kimjongun
I am sure resident rocket man at PDF can offer more insight.

Fatah-2 is TBM by any definition though ISPR calls it MRLS and the base for SMASH, I am not sure if we are talking about the same system.

It is supposed to have complex trajectory to defeat ABM, unless of course ISPR was just making things up.

 

[Princeps]

Fatah-2 is TBM by any definition though ISPR calls it MRLS and the base for SMASH, I am not sure if we are talking about the same system.

It is supposed to have complex trajectory to defeat ABM, unless of course ISPR was just making things up.

It's not a ballistic missile in the sense that it remains in the atmosphere and can maneuver using fins, but the maneuverability is limited since it's unpowered by that point. We shouldn't have very high expectations from Fatah-2 at the end of the day. A proper SRBM would be more effective but also more expensive let alone a HGV/HCM.

 

[Bilal]

It's not a ballistic missile in the sense that it remains in the atmosphere and can maneuver using fins, but the maneuverability is limited since it's unpowered by that point. We shouldn't have very high expectations from Fatah-2 at the end of the day. A proper SRBM would be more effective but also more expensive let alone a HGV/HCM.

It’s a quasi-BM. Point being, it’s not supposed to have simple parabolic trajectory. Also, all TBMs (in this range class) remain within atmosphere. Anyways this is how ISPR describes it:

 

[kimjongun]

Fatah-2 is TBM by any definition though ISPR calls it MRLS and the base for SMASH, I am not sure if we are talking about the same system.

It is supposed to have complex trajectory to defeat ABM, unless of course ISPR was just making things up.

The Fatah 2 was supposed to be a SSM lik3 the iskander with a quasi ballistic trajectory , however people like Farooq bhai have given some hints regarding how there are 2 variants for the F2 with one being the 250km variant rocket and the other being the 400km SSM but there is no evidence to back the claim except articles. I would consider it gargon tho , unless qualified people like @safriz or @JamD tell us

Sir, these are rockets with parabolic trajectories we must not compare rockets with Tactical Ballistic missiles or even aero ballistic missiles.

tactical ballistic missile can perform limited change in trajectory in dive that is 75 Degree or 90 degree. On other hand aero-ballistic missiles have the capability to perform random manuvere in flight due MaRV.

for reference look at eskander SSM for TBM and Khybar Shikan II or Fattah 2 (Irainian) as aeroballistic missile.

@kimjongun
I am sure resident rocket man at PDF can offer more insight.

TBMs do offer some maneuverability but their decent is unpowered or mostly unchanged thus interceptions are a lil easier .

Aero ballistics fly the quasi terrriotory , stay with in the atmosphere and dont have the parabolic path , in some ways utilize MaRV to get to the target .

Fatah and khybar shikan are more TBM then Aero ballictic , Iranian fatah utilizes pure spped to defeat targets while khyber shikan some movements in the final stages.

The reason for the quick interceptions of our missiles were probably
1)Low re entry speeds
2)The missiles not getting into their re entry phase and getting interecepted in midcourse
3) Poor numbers and tactis
4) Keep warning the enemy that " we will attack at the time of our choosing" thus kinda alerting them more tbh

 

[Bilal]

The Fatah 2 was supposed to be a SSM lik3 the iskander with a quasi ballistic trajectory , however people like Farooq bhai have given some hints regarding how there are 2 variants for the F2 with one being the 250km variant rocket

Exactly what I was trying to clarify in my first post.