Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Himalayan]

Your problem is that you are so obsessed with your own country that you think just because I disagree with an immature early ceasefire, it must have something to do with Pakistan! That's ridiculous.

Oh, how profound of you to lecture me on the difference between disagreement and sarcasm—truly, a distinction only a mind of your caliber could illuminate. But let me get this straight: you genuinely believe the collective wisdom of dozens of Iranian delegations (you know, the people actually in the war, my dear friend) is somehow inferior to your hot take on ceasefire maturity? That’s not just disagreement, sweetheart—that’s Olympic-level delusion. But please, do continue. The rest of us are just here for the comedy.

 

[ShapurII]

uss ford is is likely only staying in the area until relieved by bush and boxer isnt a carrier but an LHD\LHA like uss tripoli which is also in the area, they have much more limited aviation facilities but are primary amphibious assault ships

But they can stop shipments to and from Iran, can't they?

 

[Ibbi32]

Is this true? Should have sent a few Phantoms and a Tomcat too shame.

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last time in june they sent 747s and 707s to karachi. i saw them myself. iran couldve sent more aircraft here, if not warplanes then airliners but they for whatever reason didnt and so more than 30 airliners have been destroyed in iran so far

 

[ShapurII]

Oh, how profound of you to lecture me on the difference between disagreement and sarcasm—truly, a distinction only a mind of your caliber could illuminate. But let me get this straight: you genuinely believe the collective wisdom of dozens of Iranian delegations (you know, the people actually in the war, my dear friend) is somehow inferior to your hot take on ceasefire maturity? That’s not just disagreement, sweetheart—that’s Olympic-level delusion. But please, do continue. The rest of us are just here for the comedy.

The collective wisdom of these f*ckers told them not to build nuclear weapons after 30 years, to sign the JCPOA in return for nothing but promises, and to get deceived by Witkoff twice in 9 months, both time ending in war.
So, yeah, there's a very high chance that my "hot take" on ceasefire maturity is superior to their "collective wisdom".

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Iran agreed to come to the negotiating table on Chinese prompt.
Is China now under any moral / ethical pressure to use its military / diplomatic muscle to stop further war and bloodshed in Iran?

 

[Meengla]

Talks will continue thru the back door channels . There will be more talks Thanks to Pakistan setting up this formal meeting Very unfortunate on here we have people spouting nonsense on Pakistan role being minor. Very frustrating why did we bother at all.

I think most Iranians here and in Iran know the value of Pakistan and its roles in the negotiations. Unfortunately for a few Iranians here, things inevitably will boil down to something like a total defeat of one or the other side and thus such Iranians can't think beyond that and that thinking reflects in their posts here.

 

[Ibbi32]

But they can stop shipments to and from Iran, can't they?

yes they can. similar ships and ford herself were used to blockade venezuela and cuba. its a minor miracle that irans tanker fleet has avoided us attention and been allowed to operate freely until now and even been unsanctioned in meantime. but it also begs the question that iran has been allowed to keep trading oil because trump viewed it more important to give some relief to oil markets before but now they are suddenly going to target these tankers and drive up prices again. i have a feeling some geniuses in the white house decided that they were going to sieze iranian tankers and deliver the oil to the us/allies and take the crews hostage

 

[hasssanali8998]

Trump:

I predict they come back and they give us everything we want. I want with everything.

I don’t want 90%, I don’t want 95%. I want everything! They have no cards.


And now you know why the talks failed

 

[Immortals]

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[Toxic]

last time in june they sent 747s and 707s to karachi. i saw them myself. iran couldve sent more aircraft here, if not warplanes then airliners but they for whatever reason didnt and so more than 30 airliners have been destroyed in iran so far

Yeah really strange, for fighter jets I guess it makes sense why they didn't send them but it doesn't make sense why they didn't send tankers Transports and airliners.

 

[Immortals]

Trump:

I predict they come back and they give us everything we want. I want with everything.

I don’t want 90%, I don’t want 95%. I want everything! They have no cards.


And now you know why that talks failed

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[Aziqbal]

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Goodness sake man where is China when you need them ? when are they going to wake up

 

[Immortals]

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The man will never abandon Israel. Because Powerful Israeli Jews are the only thing that can shield his family from criminal prosecution once he leaves office.

 

[ShapurII]

i have a feeling some geniuses in the white house decided that they were going to sieze iranian tankers and deliver the oil to the us/allies and take the crews hostage

But that works only temporarily. After a few shipments by Iran is seized, Iran will stop sending them because it knows it will end up in the hands of the US.

Also, the question is, if we assume that Iran sold its oil on FOB basis to China, would the US stop Chinese oil tankers too? If yes, what would be the reaction of China in that scenario?

The Chinese will be forced to stop oil imports from Iran, and because oil prices are high at the moment and the Strait of Hormuz is closed to Arab states, and Iran accounts for 9% of Chinese oil imports, it will hurt China for sure. What would China do then?

I suppose Trump thinks that China will eventually be forced to pressure Iran into a better deal, instead of confronting the USN.

 

[Sal12]

Nukes are overrated in most of the scenarios. Russia has nukes but still it does not stop Ukraine from fighting against Russia and Russia did not use nuke. Israel has nukes but it does not stop Iran from firing missiles on Israel. Nukes will be used against nukes.

This war would have still happened even if Iran had nukes.