Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aryan_B]

You really think "Americans" told Araghchi to go ahead with nukes and realized in the last minute it is bad idea? Most rational people were expecting the talks to end in an impasse. The gulf is too wide to be bridged by negotiations.

thing is Iran could say that they wont produce nukes and they could deep under some mountain?

I mean if you want to take Iran word you already had it on Obama deal

and how can US guaranteed they or Israel wont attack again?

 

[RocketLaw]

Yes - second round soon





1. The Turkish and Egyptian foreign ministers held separate phone calls with their Pakistani counterpart on Sunday, then both spoke to White House envoy Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Araghchi

2. A US official frames the blockade itself as "part of the ongoing negotiations," with Trump aiming to prevent Iran from using the Strait of Hormuz as leverage

3. Vance told Netanyahu the main US demand was removing all enriched material from Iran and ensuring no enrichment "in the coming years, and that could be in decades"

4. A regional source characterizes the negotiation as ongoing: "We are not in a complete deadlock. The door is not closed yet. Both sides are bargaining. It's a bazaar"

5. A US official says Trump is considering resuming strikes if the naval blockade does not make Iran change course

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1 hour ago

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[EugeneP]

thing is Iran could say that they wont produce nukes and they could deep under some mountain?

I mean if you want to take Iran word you already had it on Obama deal

and how can US guaranteed they or Israel wont attack again?

If an agreement were to be reached, it won't be based on promises. It will be IAEA full-scope safeguards. With lot of inspections by multinational teams.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Aryan_B]

He is not wrong Hamas got played right into Israel hands on October 7th and gave them a reason to mass murder.

He is wrong and looking at quality of Mastankhans posts probably smoking the real stuff. who are you or him sitting at home on your comfy sofas drinking and smoking chilling to tell the resistance how to resist. How they resist is a matter for them. Israelis dont need an excuse murder. They doing same in West bank today. Gaza was and or is a prison even today,

If I was to have another boy I would call him Yahya Sinwar he will be remembered as a Muslim hero. How will Salman be remembered or that Jordanian mongrel be remembered

Casualties and fatalities are inevitable in fighting a war. You don't call those Russians defending Lenningrad in 2nd world war when millions died as giving Nazis an excuse. They were fighting for their people

Israel and US with cooperation of treacherous GCC were getting ready to sign up to the Abraham accords. The idea was ignore the Palestinians and move on.

Palestine has been on agenda and finally Israel is exposed and reviled everywhere on earth

 

[Aryan_B]

If an agreement were to be reached, it won't be based on promises. It will be IAEA full-scope safeguards. With lot of inspections by multinational teams.

But you had that shit in Obama deal that this orange fool breached

 

[BHAN85]

Which part of

But the simple fact is that we need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon and they will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon. That is the core goal of the President of the United States, and that's what we've tried to achieve through these negotiations. Again, their nuclear programs such as it is, the enrichment facilities that they had before, they've been destroyed. But the simple question is, do we see a fundamental commitment of will for the Iranians not to develop a nuclear weapon, not just now, not just two years from now, but for the long term? We haven't seen that yet. We hope that we will."

is difficult to understand? Where is the mention of civilian nuclear program or nuclear plant in that text?

"The tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon" likely means nuclear civilian program.

Do you think Iran went to negotiate asking develop nukes?

 

[Aryan_B]

Many racists in Israel go from America South africa and eastern europe not cos they are Jews but with promises of free accomodation education and health. all paid by American tax payer

 

[Immortals]

Yes - second round soon





1. The Turkish and Egyptian foreign ministers held separate phone calls with their Pakistani counterpart on Sunday, then both spoke to White House envoy Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Araghchi

2. A US official frames the blockade itself as "part of the ongoing negotiations," with Trump aiming to prevent Iran from using the Strait of Hormuz as leverage

3. Vance told Netanyahu the main US demand was removing all enriched material from Iran and ensuring no enrichment "in the coming years, and that could be in decades"

4. A regional source characterizes the negotiation as ongoing: "We are not in a complete deadlock. The door is not closed yet. Both sides are bargaining. It's a bazaar"

5. A US official says Trump is considering resuming strikes if the naval blockade does not make Iran change course

43 minutes ago



1 hour ago

Doesn’t make sense for 2nd round talks if US position is the same one from May 2025 - no enrichment, no missiles, no proxies and in exchange some easily reversible sanctions relief and partial frozen funds access.

Currently U.S. thinks it can get a much better deal and won’t truly compromise till the global economy begins to turn.

 

[Watandar]

Doesn’t make sense for 2nd round talks if US position is the same one from May 2025 - no enrichment, no missiles, no proxies and in exchange some easily reversible sanctions relief and partial frozen funds access.

Currently U.S. thinks it can get a much better deal and won’t truly compromise till the global economy begins to turn.

Talking is better than fighting. Ceasefire is better than war.

 

[KingQamaR]

No.

Firstly, the Chinese Navy does not have the capability to confront the US Navy in the Persian Gulf.

Secondly, China's oil security policy is excellent, and simply interrupting oil in the Persian Gulf is unlikely to affect China's economy.



China is likely to assist Iran through military aid.

Trump has threatened China that if China provides military aid to Iran, he will increase tariffs by 50% on China.

Today, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs responded that restarting the tariff war is not a good choice for the United States.

In the context of Chinese language, this answer is equivalent to acknowledging that Iran will receive military assistance and accepting the resumption of the tariff war.

I think you’re right.
There are more effective ways to bring Americans to heel without even firing a shot, why would you waste fuel and go muscular?
Just cut off rare earths and critical minerals, so when Iran starts firing again and the US needs to ramp up patriot production, they’ll have a much more interesting time doing that with their supply chain reduced to a drivel.

 

[Aryan_B]

Does anyone really believe that Trump has any strategy? One minute Iranian oil is sanctioned. Iran blocks straits and US issues exemptions. Then Iranian ships are blocked I mean is there any plan or 6d chess looks like bollocks to me

 

[Blain2]

Doesn’t make sense for 2nd round talks if US position is the same one from May 2025 - no enrichment, no missiles, no proxies and in exchange some easily reversible sanctions relief and partial frozen funds access.

Currently U.S. thinks it can get a much better deal and won’t truly compromise till the global economy begins to turn.

It makes perfect sense. Both sides went back understanding the other's position. What is must have for each side. Perhaps tackle the easy ones first for confidence building measures and then address the hard ones (like nuclear enrichment and control of Strait of Hormuz).

Except Israel, not ONE country on this globe wants a fighting war starting yet again. Talks have to be the way to solve this problem.

 

[BHAN85]

Many racists in Israel go from America South africa and eastern europe not cos they are Jews but with promises of free accomodation education and health. all paid by American tax payer

Poor Jews go to Israel.
Rich Jews go to USA.

American Ashkenazim Jews have 15 points more in average IQ than Israeli Ashkenazim jews.

Why would choose someone go to Israel mortal trap? Because there is no better options.

USA is the preferred choice, even for Israel born Jews.

But USA doesn't welcome all of them.