PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[东风夜放花千树]

Never ever! And China will never sell the carrier variant to Pakistan and the fact that that’s is reported is IMO simply explained not by the unlikely explanation, an export version might be developed but simply since a reporter again does not differ between both versions, picked up again a rumour and included an error!

Again, such reports are not discussed in the public and when China delivers them - again IMO impossible mid-2026 - they will appear almost out of the blue but not after some repeatedly incredible claims were reposted several times.

It’s possible that I didn’t explain clearly enough, which led to your misunderstanding.

A friend suggested that we could wait until the J-35 matures before making a purchase. I replied that the J-35 is already a mature platform because we developed the J-35A based on the J-35 platform.

The model Pakistan would acquire would not be the J-35 carrier-based aircraft. What I meant is that if the news about Pakistan purchasing the J-35 is true, it indicates that the export version of the J-35 has been successfully developed, and its name might be J-35CE (just speculation); Pakistan would obtain the J-35CE.

The J-35 platform is planned to have at least four versions: the Air Force version, the Navy version, the export version, and the two-seat version.

We can see that the J-35 carrier-based aircraft, the J-35A Air Force version, and the upcoming J-35CE export version all follow this path, which aligns very well with the plan and China’s equipment development strategy.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Russia right now still cannot mass produce the Su-57.

Also, a Su-57 might be nearly twice the price tag of a J-35.

Pakistan's acquisition of the J-35 is not only for countering against India, but also to secure the middle east.

According to the latest news, India hopes to purchase 40 SU-57s from Russia and then introduce a production line in India to produce 100 SU-57s.

If this agreement is reached, Pakistan will need to equip itself with corresponding weapons to defend its legitimate interests.

We can refer to India’s Rafale fighter jets and Pakistan’s procurement of J-10CE.

India officially purchased 36 Rafale fighter jets in 2016, delivered the first batch of 5 Rafale jets in 2020, and completed the full delivery in 2022.

Pakistan began purchasing in 2019 with an order quantity of 36 aircraft. The contract was signed in 2020; the first batch of 6 aircraft was delivered in 2022, and delivery accelerated after 2023.

After signing the procurement agreement, India sent 20-24 pilots to France for a three-year long-term training.

Pakistan selected elite pilots to receive training in China; the number is unknown, but they arrived in China in October 2021. The training lasted 6 months. After returning to Pakistan, these elite pilots were responsible for training subsequent batches of pilots, indicating that if future orders are delivered, combat capability can be quickly formed.

If India and Russia reach an agreement to procure SU-57s, then Pakistan’s contract to purchase J-35s might also be real.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

According to the latest news, India hopes to purchase 40 SU-57s from Russia and then introduce a production line in India to produce 100 SU-57s.

If this agreement is reached, Pakistan will need to equip itself with corresponding weapons to defend its legitimate interests.

We can refer to India’s Rafale fighter jets and Pakistan’s procurement of J-10CE.

India officially purchased 36 Rafale fighter jets in 2016, delivered the first batch of 5 Rafale jets in 2020, and completed the full delivery in 2022.

Pakistan began purchasing in 2019 with an order quantity of 36 aircraft. The contract was signed in 2020; the first batch of 6 aircraft was delivered in 2022, and delivery accelerated after 2023.

After signing the procurement agreement, India sent 20-24 pilots to France for a three-year long-term training.

Pakistan selected elite pilots to receive training in China; the number is unknown, but they arrived in China in October 2021. The training lasted 6 months. After returning to Pakistan, these elite pilots were responsible for training subsequent batches of pilots, indicating that if future orders are delivered, combat capability can be quickly formed.

If India and Russia reach an agreement to procure SU-57s, then Pakistan’s contract to purchase J-35s might also be real.

Pakistan might even acquire the J-35 even India wouldn't settle the Su-57 agreement with Russia.

Don't indulge too much in the past victory, and India is seeking for revenge.

 

[ety]

Pakistan might even acquire the J-35 even India wouldn't settle the Su-57 agreement with Russia.

Don't indulge too much in the past victory, and India is seeking for revenge.

I thought India got out the SU-57 program earlier. They sort of disdain the SU-57 fighters. I guess now they have no choice. Their own 5 gen fighter is still far away from prototype if they ever going to be able to develop it. And they can't get F 35 ?

 

[Aziqbal]

According to the latest news, India hopes to purchase 40 SU-57s from Russia and then introduce a production line in India to produce 100 SU-57s.

If this agreement is reached, Pakistan will need to equip itself with corresponding weapons to defend its legitimate interests.

We can refer to India’s Rafale fighter jets and Pakistan’s procurement of J-10CE.

India officially purchased 36 Rafale fighter jets in 2016, delivered the first batch of 5 Rafale jets in 2020, and completed the full delivery in 2022.

Pakistan began purchasing in 2019 with an order quantity of 36 aircraft. The contract was signed in 2020; the first batch of 6 aircraft was delivered in 2022, and delivery accelerated after 2023.

After signing the procurement agreement, India sent 20-24 pilots to France for a three-year long-term training.

Pakistan selected elite pilots to receive training in China; the number is unknown, but they arrived in China in October 2021. The training lasted 6 months. After returning to Pakistan, these elite pilots were responsible for training subsequent batches of pilots, indicating that if future orders are delivered, combat capability can be quickly formed.

If India and Russia reach an agreement to procure SU-57s, then Pakistan’s contract to purchase J-35s might also be real.

Pakistan sent pilots in October 2021 ?

Although i have no reason to disagree please do share the source of this information

 

[Psyko70]

Phir shinwari pe treat kon de rha hai J35 ane ke baad??????

Sir mai khilwauga aap ko mutton shinwari, balochi sajji, Dua restaurant aap hukum karein.

 

[kimjongun]

Sir mai khilwauga aap ko mutton shinwari, balochi sajji, Dua restaurant aap hukum karein.

Are sir offer ka shukria apka , kher mudda toh ye hai ke J35 aye , insha allah zaroor ayega

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Pakistan sent pilots in October 2021 ?

Although i have no reason to disagree please do share the source of this information

According to the information I was able to find, Pakistani media interviewed pilots who went to China for training and then published a special report.

Chinese military enthusiasts translated these articles. The articles mentioned that 'Lieutenant Colonel Imtiaz Rahim Shahzada, who once flew F-16s and Mirage fighter jets, became the leader of this team in October 2021. His team consists of highly skilled F-16, JF-17, and Mirage pilots who are familiar with beyond visual range (BVR) combat, as well as AI exposure. They also underwent strict epidemic prevention measures and came to China in three groups over a period of three weeks.'

I have placed a screenshot of this article below, and you can look up this article.

 

[Michael]

According to the information I was able to find, Pakistani media interviewed pilots who went to China for training and then published a special report.

Chinese military enthusiasts translated these articles. The articles mentioned that 'Lieutenant Colonel Imtiaz Rahim Shahzada, who once flew F-16s and Mirage fighter jets, became the leader of this team in October 2021. His team consists of highly skilled F-16, JF-17, and Mirage pilots who are familiar with beyond visual range (BVR) combat, as well as AI exposure. They also underwent strict epidemic prevention measures and came to China in three groups over a period of three weeks.'

I have placed a screenshot of this article below, and you can look up this article.
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This depicts PAF J-10CE pilots undergoing training in China.

This thread, however, is about the J-35. There were previous reports suggesting that the PAF had dispatched pilots to China to train on the J-35; however, there is currently no reliable information to substantiate this claim.

Your comment has caused a misunderstanding.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I thought India got out the SU-57 program earlier. They sort of disdain the SU-57 fighters. I guess now they have no choice. Their own 5 gen fighter is still far away from prototype if they ever going to be able to develop it. And they can't get F 35 ?

My friend, you might not know this news. India participated in the Russian SU-57 project but later withdrew.

In 2007, India and Russia launched a joint development project for a 'Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA),' with India covering 50% of the R&D costs. India named it the FGFA project, which was based on Russia's T-50 (Su-57) fighter, working together to develop a Su-57 that met India's requirements.

In 2010, the first T-50 prototype successfully conducted its maiden flight.

In 2018, India withdrew from the project.

On January 29, 2021, the Russian Ministry of Defense officially received Russia's first mass-produced SU-57 fighter.

The reasons for India's withdrawal are as follows:

1. Russia did not agree to let India participate in core tasks; India was only responsible for simple work.
2. Russia did not agree to transfer the technology to India.
3. India had disagreements regarding the high R&D costs and cost-sharing ratio, and it refused to continue investing funds.

Now India hopes to purchase the SU-57 again.

 

[mythbuster]

This depicts PAF J-10CE pilots undergoing training in China.

This thread, however, is about the J-35. There were previous reports suggesting that the PAF had dispatched pilots to China to train on the J-35; however, there is currently no reliable information to substantiate this claim.

Your comment has caused a misunderstanding.

There is no misunderstanding...clear response to a clear

 

[ety]

My friend, you might not know this news. India participated in the Russian SU-57 project but later withdrew.

In 2007, India and Russia launched a joint development project for a 'Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA),' with India covering 50% of the R&D costs. India named it the FGFA project, which was based on Russia's T-50 (Su-57) fighter, working together to develop a Su-57 that met India's requirements.

In 2010, the first T-50 prototype successfully conducted its maiden flight.

In 2018, India withdrew from the project.

On January 29, 2021, the Russian Ministry of Defense officially received Russia's first mass-produced SU-57 fighter.

The reasons for India's withdrawal are as follows:

1. Russia did not agree to let India participate in core tasks; India was only responsible for simple work.
2. Russia did not agree to transfer the technology to India.
3. India had disagreements regarding the high R&D costs and cost-sharing ratio, and it refused to continue investing funds.

Now India hopes to purchase the SU-57 again.

Russia is not going to let India have access to their cutting edge 5th gen fighter core tech, even less chance of tech transfer. India can't really contribute anything except funding. Indians are just dreaming. Remember how EU treated China in the Galileo satellite navigation system, China was originally partnered in the project, but, EU wouldn't let China access the core parts of the program, so China got out to develop its own Beidou system. Now Beidou is fully functional and has even surpassed US GPS in many tech aspects while Galileo is still not fully functional with many problems came up in the system. All those countries are the same, no one wants to share cutting edge core tech know-how with others.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

is there a J-35 vs KAAN comparison thread? if there is then do advise I will move that question there.

why would Pakistan look for another 5th Gen aircraft if its getting J-35A?

the news of PAF acquiring KAAN in future surface time to time and I dont understand the logic behind it. when J-35A has been officially announced and is in serial production with possible induction end of this year or coming years.


putting the news from social media and internet news sites aside, what is the likelihood of acquisition by Pakistan? I am aware there are some official news confirmations of Pakistani personnel involvement in the project but given the possibility of American components in this projects, this will face the same fate as the T-129 gunships due to the ITAR restrictions.
if all the parts and components of the KAAN are ITAR free and sourced through domestic and non American (affiliate) suppliers then the next question is.. what role will this fill which the J-35A wont? will there be enough resources to procure both in sufficient numbers? how similar or different these tow jets are? apart from the fact that one is entering serial production while the other is still in prototype stage? will their roles not overlap and having multiple platform can present the complex operational, logistics and support challenges like India faces due to jets from different countries?

 

[Ali_Baba]

is there a J-35 vs KAAN comparison thread? if there is then do advise I will move that question there.

why would Pakistan look for another 5th Gen aircraft if its getting J-35A?

the news of PAF acquiring KAAN in future surface time to time and I dont understand the logic behind it. when J-35A has been officially announced and is in serial production with possible induction end of this year or coming years.


putting the news from social media and internet news sites aside, what is the likelihood of acquisition by Pakistan? I am aware there are some official news confirmations of Pakistani personnel involvement in the project but given the possibility of American components in this projects, this will face the same fate as the T-129 gunships due to the ITAR restrictions.
if all the parts and components of the KAAN are ITAR free and sourced through domestic and non American (affiliate) suppliers then the next question is.. what role will this fill which the J-35A wont? will there be enough resources to procure both in sufficient numbers? how similar or different these tow jets are? apart from the fact that one is entering serial production while the other is still in prototype stage? will their roles not overlap and having multiple platform can present the complex operational, logistics and support challenges like India faces due to jets from different countries?

Range / persistence time mostly - Kaan is a heavy that can comfortably go to places like Mumbai and it can do large payloads ?

 

[mythbuster]

is there a J-35 vs KAAN comparison thread? if there is then do advise I will move that question there.

why would Pakistan look for another 5th Gen aircraft if its getting J-35A?

the news of PAF acquiring KAAN in future surface time to time and I dont understand the logic behind it. when J-35A has been officially announced and is in serial production with possible induction end of this year or coming years.


putting the news from social media and internet news sites aside, what is the likelihood of acquisition by Pakistan? I am aware there are some official news confirmations of Pakistani personnel involvement in the project but given the possibility of American components in this projects, this will face the same fate as the T-129 gunships due to the ITAR restrictions.
if all the parts and components of the KAAN are ITAR free and sourced through domestic and non American (affiliate) suppliers then the next question is.. what role will this fill which the J-35A wont? will there be enough resources to procure both in sufficient numbers? how similar or different these tow jets are? apart from the fact that one is entering serial production while the other is still in prototype stage? will their roles not overlap and having multiple platform can present the complex operational, logistics and support challenges like India faces due to jets from different countries?

I can give you a layman's take on this ! KAAN is a long term project , claims aside , it's still evolving.....it may ultimately evolve into 6th generation fighter....the real charm lies in co-production.