UAE in trouble. Why Pakistan suddenly returned billions

[Dalit]

their money they can do what they want....

the form 47 gov needs to improve performance on the economic and governance which since day one has been sub par.. stop depending on hand outs.

No doubt they can, but so can Pakistan.

 

[Dalit]

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The good news is that, without a doubt, the Emiratis are going to distance themselves little by little. Pakistan would never have taken such a step on its own. As others have already explained, there is too much corruption and investment in Epstein island by Pakistani elites. Luckily, the geopolitical situation is dictating the outcome and the inevitable is unfolding before our eyes. In the long run, the Emiratis will fully align with the Israeli and Indian camps, which is actually beneficial to Pakistan. It will force a divorce between both sides. The UAE is a hypocritical snake and it must be ousted at all cost.

 

[LC150]

No doubt they can, but so can Pakistan.

exactly my point

we develop good governance to have a good economy... which equals independent foreign policy

 

[Olympus81]

so nothing will change in the next 50 years.. you will see the corrupt ruling families including that cartoon that was just conceived in CM new lear jet while honey mooning around Europe.

This was funny.

 

[Olympus81]

Contrary to what some members think, the UAE will be in good books of Pakistan and vice versa, eventually. Foreign policy is never black or white and burning bridges should not be take lightly.

In addition, Pakistan’s elites are knee deep invested in UAE so heckling them too much isn’t in their interests. Our Foreign Minister’s sons, since their teenage, have a sizeable real estate portfolio in Sharjah and Dubai for instance.

After the war, who knows UAE may start courting Pakistan again. Things in this neighborhood change very quickly.

 

[Mr X]

UAE is slowly tilting towards Israel-India lobby due to big contribution of Indians. For them the Israel-Palestine issue is not that great as UAE was barely on the world map at the time of 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

I have visited UAE multiple times and find no reason why we should start this anti-UAE campaign. They are peace loving nation and people are very welcoming compared to rest of the Arab world. Indians have a strong grip on UAE due to their business community and to be honest with you, nothing wrong with that.

Relations between Pakistan and the UAE also remain friendly and, despite the recent strain, there is every chance they could improve quite quickly. I don’t understand why some Pakistanis are so upset if the UAE has decided to recover its loan. They did not offer it as charity… it is their money… They have been rolling it over since 1996, with the second tranche alone having been extended for at least ten years. It is only fair that they should now wish to take it back, particularly at a time when their own country has been affected by Iranian missile attacks and financial pressures.

 

[Tank131]

These Emirati bastards still have some foothold in Pakistan through such companies. I agree. Completely decapitate Emirati presence in Pakistan.

Either pay the outstanding PTCL fees or lose the company

 

[VCheng]

UAE is slowly tilting towards Israel-India lobby due to big contribution of Indians. For them the Israel-Palestine issue is not that great as UAE was barely on the world map at the time of 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

I have visited UAE multiple times and find no reason why we should start this anti-UAE campaign. They are peace loving nation and people are very welcoming compared to rest of the Arab world. Indians have a strong grip on UAE due to their business community and to be honest with you, nothing wrong with that.

Relations between Pakistan and the UAE also remain friendly and, despite the recent strain, there is every chance they could improve quite quickly. I don’t understand why some Pakistanis are so upset if the UAE has decided to recover its loan. They did not offer it as charity… it is their money… They have been rolling it over since 1996, with the second tranche alone having been extended for at least ten years. It is only fair that they should now wish to take it back, particularly at a time when their own country has been affected by Iranian missile attacks and financial pressures.

Using Palestine/Iran as some sort of yardstick to influence any other bilateral geopolitical relationships is a huge mistake for Pakistan that only hyperemotional zealots wish to apply.

Pakistan should always put its own national interests above all other considerations in any and all bilateral relationships.

Simple.

 

[Blain2]

They did not Pay full amount of PTCL and with interest they the amount exceed more than 6 Billions but these buffoons are blackmailing us to send back our workers.

I know it's easier said than done, but the sooner Pakistan pulls back its workers from the UAE, and other reliance, and perhaps rebalances the workers in KSA, Kuwait, Qatar etc., the better. The medium to long term strategy has to be doing more with with our workers at home and not even relying on the Gulf for exporting manpower.

UAE has been playing two-faced games ever since the Gwadar port started receiving serious Chinese funding. Even in the times of Musharraf, he and some in his government were hinting that UAE is getting in the way of Gwadar and disrupting it through proxy support. What was perhaps previously hidden as a "frenemy" sort of a situation with UAE is now out in the open. This move by them to force Pakistan's hand is as clear an indication of that as any. We have a dependence on them for our workers, but that is pretty much it (plus many Pakistanis buy real-estate there but that is a personal financial choice and not a governmental affair).

I am personally vexed seeing Pakistani government kowtowing to the Emeratis but also realize that at least short-mid term the options are very limited. Some people in their government, including Anwar Gargash, have been openly anti-Pakistani in some situations. Add to that, they have some misplaced arrogance as well being crowned "Sparta of the Gulf" by some of their American benefactors to stroke their egos and bring them onboard the expansionist "adventurism" in alignment with Israel. This has gotten to their heads and they think they can bully other countries aside and get involved in expansionist foreign policy enterprises far from their shores.

Last, given their trajectory is already moving in the direction of Israel, Greece and India (something they decided to do on their own), Pakistan too will have to make calls for its own sake.

 

[Blain2]

Those blue collared workers are not in the equation of the move shakers of this country rather their own wealth and assets parked in that entity, and that includes your GHQ lot. Where was Musharaff during his last hours? Bajwa has been seen many times trotting the streets of Dubai. I am sure there will many serving and ex generals who got their wealth parked there. And you know the funny thing, when IK was trying to detach from these GCC lot over their stance and zero support over Kashmir issue, when he was heading to Malaysian summit with Türkiye, its the same establishment lot who opposed him the most.

Don't confuse personal investments by tying in "GHQ" in your accusations.

Any Pakistani can invest anywhere in the world. Their prerogative. Not your call and not mine.

"Where was Musharaff during his last hours?"

These usual accusations from a certain lot always fall flat when provided facts. Musharraf had a fundamental disagreement with the verdict passed on him. He was voluntarily living overseas and it could have been the US, UK or the UAE. He had no investments there, he was living in a rented apartment. Second, the same old lot that accuses the military leadership always should know that every single retired Pakistani CoAS lives IN PAKISTAN. Aslam Beg, Abdul Waheed Kakar, Jehangir Karamat, Kiyani, Raheel Sharif, and even Bajwa all reside in Pakistan without exception. If they travel overseas in retirement, it is their prerogative as it is of any other Pakistani civilian, politician or otherwise.

IK was cautioned because by tilting towards a Malaysian led initiative, he was going to derail the strategic relations with KSA. It had nothing to do with the UAE. Two different things that you have conveniently mixed up.

Now KSA and UAE are in different camps. This goes to show no policy can remain static and has to change with times and as various situations arise.

 

[Blain2]

Don’t understand why Pakistanis get so emotional.

The UAE helped Pakistan in its our of need, was and is a resident of choice for Pakistani politicians, retired army officers, bureaucrats alike.

There is a sizeable investment of 12 billion USD made by Pakistanis in UAE and a good portion of it is illicit.

Recently, UAE and Pakistan aren’t looking eye to eye for many reasons. This war just enforced what was brewing. Prior to this UAE was getting quite close to India, doing naughty things in Balochistan, creating hurdles for Pakistanis travelling to UAE.

Pakistan’s leadership failed to address these issues, due to personal (leadership investments in UAE) and economical (loans) reasons.

End of the day, it comes down to the ECONOMY. If you treat your people as remittance transferring machines, there is very little leverage you can extract.

Sorry, I don't buy your nonchalant "Pakistan’s leadership failed to address these issues, due to personal (leadership investments in UAE)". The country does not run on the whims of certain individual's investments in a country or two.

This is yet again a common conspiracy that Pakistanis have conjured up. It may be a consideration for some, but not the deciding factor at the bi-lateral relations level.

The simple reason is that we need to find a solution to relocate our labor in the UAE and ensure the remittances are not impacted if the UAE continues to pressure Pakistan. This is what ties Pakistan to the UAE. What does someone's personal investment in the UAE have to do with Govt-Govt dealing?

 

[Taimoor]

Don't confuse personal investments by tying in "GHQ" in your accusations.

Any Pakistani can invest anywhere in the world. Their prerogative. Not your call and not mine.

LOL @ "personal investment". How much a general earn to be able to afford such a life style outside Pakistan? What are the sources of income? You have some gal to talk sh|t knowing exactly what goes within the walls of GHQ. You think only civilians and politicans are corrupt! You have NO idea.

These usual accusations from a certain lot always fall flat when provided facts. Musharraf had a fundamental disagreement with the verdict passed on him. He was voluntarily living overseas and it could have been the US, UK or the UAE. He had no investments there, he was living in a rented apartment. Second, the same old lot that accuses the military leadership always should know that every single retired Pakistani CoAS lives IN PAKISTAN. Aslam Beg, Abdul Waheed Kakar, Jehangir Karamat, Kiyani, Raheel Sharif, and even Bajwa all reside in Pakistan without exception. If they travel overseas in retirement, it is their prerogative as it is of any other Pakistani civilian, politician or otherwise.

IK was cautioned because by tilting towards a Malaysian led initiative, he was going to derail the strategic relations with KSA. It had nothing to do with the UAE. Two different things that you have conveniently mixed up.

Now KSA and UAE are in different camps. This goes to show no policy can remain static and has to change with times and as various situations arise.

Again lot of non sensical talk. Its not about travel, rather assets abroad. "Voluntarily" living in a Dubai penthouse with direct access to lifts. Wah saaeen wah! Kiayani gobbled up some island near Australia, Bajwa daughter in law became a billionaire out of sudden. Speak to people who deal with these GHQ lot for "thaykay" and projects. I happen to know quiet a few. All horror stories how corrupt these people are.

Again, you are conjuring up things out of no where. Pay attention to what I said. it was all about Kashmir issue and GCC as a whole, giving no support to Pakistan, which pissed off IK. if my memory serve, the timeline was after India revoking status of IOK. It actually proves how these establishment lot have damaged the Kashmir cause to the point, they are actively sabotaging attempts to bring Kashmir issue to the limelight. If you cant even stand with the core national issues which has been your bread and butter cause, what is left there to fight for ?

 

[Hazard]

Build our economy
we have everthing except economy. we have to put that much effort to build lie we did for nukes.

Building economies require resilience, patience, extremely hard work and dedication. And the average Pakistani in Pakistan is lazy, workshy, dishonest, corrupt, and so on. There is no concept of hard work in Pakistan, most folks want to start at 9am and be done by 3pm lol - in time for Chai and Gup Shup - lifestyle funded by courtesy of us overseas Pakistanis.

 

[Master Chief]

Using Palestine/Iran as some sort of yardstick to influence any other bilateral geopolitical relationships is a huge mistake for Pakistan that only hyperemotional zealots wish to apply.

Pakistan should always put its own national interests above all other considerations in any and all bilateral relationships.

Simple.

Correct. And be that as it may, outright hostility towards UAE is completely in Pakistani interests. Forget Palestine, Iran, ummah chummah and the rest of it.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Build our economy
we have everthing except economy. ...

Economic growth is constantly under pressure from population growth.

An average of 3.9 million people were added to the population each year since 2020.


Worldometer: Pakistan Population

... we have to put that much effort to build lie we did for nukes.

That effort took more than 24 years (from 20 January 1972 to 28 May 1998).

When it comes to the economy, Pakistanis don't have the patience's for more than 3-years.