Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[hydrabadi_arab]

Looks like Trump is getting ready to end blockade,

 

[gamaji]

Gaza. . .

Yeah, of course Gaza.
Just a question for you and other Iran supporters:

How many missiles Iran launched on Zionists when they were butchering the people (including children, babies, and moms) in Gaza?

Iran used them as a proxy only to be consumed in the war.

Stop exploiting the death and destruction of Gazans to promote Iranian lies. Iranians are utterly nationalists to the extent of stupidity.

 

[r3alist]

blaming on tv while Pakistan is doing utmost to protect iran but what we are getting tis this. iran playing double on tv criticizing and while govt praising

This was inevitable, the peacemaker is the easy target, and the situation is law of the jungle, therefore the Iranians will also pressure Pakistan to do more, I mean they already holding the world economy by the throat

Pakistan being overly praised is working against its ability to be an effective go between

The Iranians will become suspicious that Pakistan is being influenced by its boost in popularity

The Iranians are outside of the world system in many ways and asking to be let back in, when you think about the relative magnitude on what each side is asking, the Iranians are asking for a lot more if they want economic integration and normalization because that's a bigger movement mechanically

If this round does not work perhaps Pakistan should consider a secondary role

 

[gamaji]

Do you understand how contradictory your post is? On one hand you claim Israel and US does not need permission and on the other you talk about sovereignity. What sovereignity? If you are going to let your airspace to be used to bomb another country, be prepared to get attacked in return. Period!

I don't know how you got that impression. I never tried to justify this attack on Iran. What I was saying is it's the result of the Iranian policies of past 47 years. It would ultimately have happened. It was just a matter of time.

 

[maxpane]

This was inevitable, the peacemaker is the easy target, and the situation is law of the jungle, therefore the Iranians will also pressure Pakistan to do more, I mean they already holding the world economy by the throat

Pakistan being overly praised is working against its ability to be an effective go between

The Iranians will become suspicious that Pakistan is being influenced by its boost in popularity

The Iranians are outside of the world system in many ways and asking to be let back in, when you think about the relative magnitude on what each side is asking, the Iranians are asking for a lot more if they want economic integration and normalization because that's a bigger movement mechanically

If this round does not work perhaps Pakistan should consider a secondary role

sir i got it but dnt you think they have Pakistan only that is doing its utmost effort to get peace for them but targetting openly on tv what i pression they want to create? its not good not for them not for us .

 

[gamaji]

Pakistan should step away and let both of these countries to decide.

Iranians have let Pakistan down badly. Iranian tatpoonjiay were already propagating that Pakistan was doing a service to Trump.

It's the time for Pakistan to kick the ass of both Iranians and Americans and tell them to deal with each other directly or through whatever other country they trust.

It was not a small achievement for Pakistan to make both Iranians and Americans sit across the table in the same room for the first time in 47 years. Now both sides need to pick it from there and talk to each other directly.

 

[gamaji]

blaming on tv while Pakistan is doing utmost to protect iran but what we are getting tis this. iran playing double on tv criticizing and while govt praising

Ungrateful idiots.

'Save yourself from the evil of the one that you do a favor to.' Hazrat Ali (RA)

 

[Cipher212]

Wrong! whether you like or hate Saudis and MBS, but this much is very true that had MBS decided to join the illegal war efforts actively and responded to iranian aggression, israel would have killed millions of innocent iranians, that would have given them the perfect excuse to commit the genocide of iranians. And iranian missiles are not causing any major harm to zionist state, else they would not keep violating the ceasefire and be happy to resume anytime soon. All these Pakistani efforts and Saudi patience has enable to halt a genocide and suffering of millions of others who will end up being indirect victims of this war.

Saudis can't even beat Houthis. They'd get curb stomped by Iran. They already have been hit.

 

[lightning f57]

Man, to test the patience of the one country in the region that did not allow US bases and condemned the attack on Iran, despite heavy pressure from Gulf states to side with them.

I think Iranians have made Pakistan look like fools now

We need to stop looking at this as Pakistanis but as Iranians. What they are doing is for the future of their country, Pak is trying to stop war which is not a fools erand. If your Iranian why would you turn up to maximalist talks when the otherside keeps acting in bad faith.

Trumpy needs to see his maximalist approach isn't working. The main blocker in this is the US approach. Pak is limited in how it can change that.

 

[lightning f57]

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Looks like Trump is getting ready to end blockade,

People are saying those 8 were not real. Trumpy however is always making stuff up.

 

[r3alist]

sir i got it but dnt you think they have Pakistan only that is doing its utmost effort to get peace for them but targetting openly on tv what i pression they want to create? its not good not for them not for us .

Sir, it's a dog eat dog world out there, Iran is a lone wolf revolutionary state and we forget they can be ruthless if you recall the missile exchange a year ago, and that as a nation everyone is eating the costs

expressions of Goodwill are one thing, but it's about leverage and power right now, and when you consider Iran has been more or less a lone wolf holding the world economy by its throat, it is not a big reach to imagine both Iran and USA pressuring Pakistan to get their way, this you have to accept because it's not going to be honeymoon period and praises forever

The early stages and initial discussions are a honeymoon period, Iran has to decide then if they can sustain and manage round two, and that will then also change equations for Pakistan because they are a neighbor with direct equities in all of this.

You see Pakistan was chosen by the Americans smartly, just looking at this dispassionately they will know that there might be a time in the future where hard national realities will override sympathy and patience. In that scenario both Turkey and Pakistan could start singing a different tune and then automatically equations will change for Iran, yes Pakistan has been a trusted mediator but no country is uninterested in the economic consequences, it just happens that Pakistan is the most acceptable go between but there is no such thing as total and unreserved impartiality, it's not like a civil legal mediation where you pay someone just to do a job, in this case we are dealing with the trajectory of Nations


From Pakistan's perspective, they are doing the right thing by promoting
the good publicity, no serious nation will actually blame Pakistan for anything

 

[r3alist]

Iranians have let Pakistan down badly. Iranian tatpoonjiay were already propagating that Pakistan was doing a service to Trump.

It's the time for Pakistan to kick the ass of both Iranians and Americans and tell them to deal with each other directly or through whatever other country they trust.

It was not a small achievement for Pakistan to make both Iranians and Americans sit across the table in the same room for the first time in 47 years. Now both sides need to pick it from there and talk to each other directly.

If Pakistan no longer has the mediation role, they might start being considered an actual actor in the hostility's, the Americans and the Iranians I can imagine will be ruthless about this

Being involved primarily in negotiations gives you protection from involvement in hostilities

 

[Meengla]

NY Times has an article saying Pakistani sources saying Iranians are still positive about face to face talks.
I think if one takes care of Trump's very stupid Blockade then there will be Islamabad Talks Round 2. Except for people like John Bolton and a few other hawks like him, the consensus is that Trump made a blunder by announcing the Blockade. Trump could be about to do another TACO and probably very soon.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Regardless of whether Pakistan's influence is a net positive or negative for any party, I will say that I'm impressed that Pakistan has managed to position itself as a host and moderator in talks between Iran and the U.S.

I think many underestimated Pakistan.

In 2014 fresh from the Bin Laden raid, taliban at their full retard peak blasting themselves everywhere. India and their anti Pakistani narratives in full acceptance by the west.

Yourself in full flow on the old pdf forum with the propaganda

It wouldn't have been unusual for country like this to drift into geopolitical irrelevance.

Obama however knew.

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[r3alist]

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