Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hayabusa]

If Iran want war then why are they still using Pakistan to mediate. If they have such petty complains then negotiate with America directly without any mediators if you can.

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Maligning a mediator because Pakistan doesn't toe the IRGC line during the negotiations is really a petty thing to do. IRGC should makeup their mind. If they want, go to war. Stop maligning others who are trying to help you.

One of the rare times, Iran having a slight brain fade here. They should understand by now that while relationship with US has seen a massive improvement post Op-BuM, Iran is its immediate neighbour, and they can't ill-afford another Afghanistan/India type government.

Pakistan is doing it's best to mediate, but rather than calling them out, should have discussed this in private instead. Right now, Pakistan remains the best option and I hope Iran speakers will not try to antagonize the relationship.

 

[Immortals]

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[krash]

Usa produces more oil then it needs but some states like California import soecial blends of fuel while import from canada due to proximity

REGARDLESS THE KEY POINT IS NET EXPORTS OR IMPORTS

increase in oil prices WILL OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT USA BECAUSE ITS A NET EXPORTER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL IN THE WORLD

YES USA IS THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL IN THE WORLD

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Like dude its not even a competition

My fault, I knew better.

 

[Shags101]

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Am I wrong but it does seem like the IDF has a shortage of heavy military vehicles I see a lot of hummers and light APC I’m starting to think after all that fighting in Gaza and Southern Lebanon their tanks are in limited supplies and rely on those D9 caterpillars a lot more

 

[Kyussis]

Careful there or Orangeman may say, oh yeah hold my beer.

What was holding Chump back the first 4 weeks of his 4 day war?

 

[Cipher212]

Your nuclear weapons did not deter nuclear india from launching operations sindoor last year.

Also, this is probably the first war where the US's airforce has underperformed in helping US achieve its military goals- US and israel bombed semi intensely for 40 days, and with no ground support to compliment the airstrikes, the US opted for a ceasefire, which it unilaterally extended,and then replaced resuming aerial bombing of with a blockade- NOT GOOD results from primary reliance on airforce to fight the war.
If and when US loses this war, many countries with large, heavily-invested airforce will have serious doubts about heir effecitveness, no wonder the Arabs(and toothless nato) didnt activate their 100s of fighter jets against iran- if US couldn't use it's airforce effectively, how could they?

Nuclear weapons are precisely the reason that it won't get any hotter than Operation Sindoor. Nothing really ground breaking happened. Losses on both sides were minor all things considered.

 

[Shags101]

What was holding Chump back the first 4 weeks of his 4 day war?

He might finally use that kill switch to turn off Iran altogether…..also supposedly our clown in chief doesn’t partake in alcohol just likes fat greasy food as we can all tell

 

[ziaulislam]

My fault, I knew better.

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What ever memes you make..doesnt change facts .

The fact is 1 out of every 5 barrel produced is in USA, benefits so its only natural that if oil goes up USA will benefit. Even though this may bring some inflation but oil companies will benefit, the share holders and the economy as a whole

Usa produces twice the amount of next big producer..its not even a competition ..it produces more then next top 10(excluding saudis/russians)

And alot of usa oil is capped i.e not in production because saudis unlike USA can produce them cheap.

So if oil goes down it hurt USA production and if it goes up, it helps them as shale is viable at 50$

So in other words.. USA needs higher oil prices for its production to increase!!

In long run usa has super surplus of gas.. LNG Can be brought into system in 2-3 years

If qatar is out, usa may bring its own production into system and able yo compete with qatar

At cheap prices USA oil becomes unfeasible but not at high prices

Memes dont change reality..which is usa doesnt care about hormoz strait and infact it benefits from it closure... something asia and Europe doesnt..

 

[Mujahid]

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In ka mulk in ki marzi.. Iran have also been supporting Bashar ul Asad in Syria during civil war and was hand in hand with this genocidal for hosting Russians in Syrian territory.. So if hosting foreign Christian forces in Syria was right so other countries hosting some other foreign Christian country is right too..
Every country twist the morality which benefit them..
Iran is not a holy cow and it should not dictate their neighbors.. They have already bombed its neighbors in the pretext of hosting its enemies.. Now both the sides are fair in their point of view..
Every thing is fair in love and war..

First Iran should develop its own morality and then dictate others.. They destroyed the lives of Syrians, Iraqis and Lebanese for their own interest..

 

[Lulldapull]

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Theres really sweet fuvk all the US can do about Iran now.

Irans the one that’s gotten away.

 

[Lulldapull]

Seems like Iran has secretly or subtly let US know that any complete blockade of its oil shipments via soh would mean return to war

lol…..more like trumps hollow blockade was just talk.

Meanwhile Irans still selectively blocking.

 

[Lulldapull]

What was holding Chump back the first 4 weeks of his 4 day war?

Vietnam took a decade, as did Iraq or Syria. Afghanistan took 2 decades.

Irans fawkin beaten the US in just 40 days.

 

[Meengla]

The complete absence of nuance in these people is mildly amusing.
“For 47 years, Pakistan has aided the IRGC.” Does this baby-faced twink know that Pakistan’s relationship with the IRGC and the broader Islamic Republic has ebbed and flowed—from mild belligerence to a lukewarm, reluctant embrace? Even accounting for the current, nascent improvement in relations, there’s an argument to be made that they still have not reached the level of our ties under the Shah, who actually helped us in our 1965 and 1971 wars with India.
We have also occasionally had to bear the brunt of the export of Iran’s sectarian conflicts. If Pakistan were the foremost backer of Iran right now, we wouldn’t be this gucci(comfortable) with the United States and the GCC (barring the Emiratis, of course, who are a unique specimen unto themselves).
I also recall a conversation with a Pahlavist on this forum before this war began who was similarly obsessed with Pakistan. Not taking any names, as I’m not interested in getting into a “tu-tu main-main” contest, there are already too many of those going on here already.

I think your post is worth pondering and referencing.
Pakistanis don't care much who controls Iran--communists, seculars, or some Mullahs--as long as the regime is not foothold for the Israelis, which would be, by extension, a foothold for the Indians. India's PM Modi was in Israel just two days before the attack on Iran started and that was not a coincidence. Pakistan had very good relations with the Iran of the Reza Shah Pahlavi and then fairly decent relations since 1979 despite a few relatively minor hiccups.
And I absolutely don't see any scenario where the Pakistani state and the people would turn against Iran even if that would take dumping Saudi Arabia and America; doing so would mean Pakistan would alienate a nation of 90+ million people on a border which is not only a long border but also, along with the border with China, the only peaceful border Pakistan has.

 

[Meengla]

In a lighter mood, if Trump were to walk over a pile of DUNG , he would say 'I had a great meeting with the DUNG leadership. Such a great pile of DUNG. Magnificent. Great history. Absolutely amazing piece of DUNG. I believe we will make great things together with this pile of DUNG. Amazing leadership by DUNG! The DUNG is a great. The DUNG, the DUNG, the DUNG is so great'.

 

[Meengla]

US not being able to effectively destroy and dismantle Iran's military operations and infrastructure this year is the biggest blunder the US has made in its Iran policy since 1979. I will guess amd say that anybody who doubts this believes in "white is right" logic.

As I have said, the only options left to accomplish Netanyahu's goals are to carpet bomb Iran with heavy bombers a la Dresden style (not even enough missiles are available) or to drop multiple nukes on Iran. The first is an option with many risks because during the so-called rescue of the American pilot, multiple American aircrafts were lost. Latter one, the nuking, is an option but not really because neither the American or the Israeli existence is at stake.
However I slice and dice, Iran has the upper hand in this conflict, at least as of now.