Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MH.Yang]

From what I had read, it wasn't that Iran decided to neglect their air force, but that sanctions and the reluctance of countries like China and Russia to actually deliver anything resulted in the focus on missiles and drones, which could be made and improved domestically.

The Iranian air force pulled off many daring and difficult missions in the Iran Iraq war when it still possessed good equipment.

Looking back at past few decades, the economic sanctions and the prohibition on providing aircraft and air defense to Iran were two things which undoubtedly hurt the country a lot.

Sanctions? China doesn't care about that. China once offered the J-10 to Iran voluntarily, but Iran refused.

 

[KAL-EL]

We may be seeing the lull before the storm......The calm we're seeing now without progress in the talks is not reassuring.

This ^

I try to be a half glass full kind of guy but I'm afraid things are about to go over a cliff.

 

[Immortals]

Sanctions? China doesn't care about that. China once offered the J-10 to Iran voluntarily, but Iran refused.

They offered an outdated variant and one that was not suitable for Iran’s large country size.

China and Iran haven’t had a major arms deal since the infamous C-802/C-801 arms deals.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Lulldapull]

They offered an outdated variant and one that was not suitable for Iran’s large country size.

China and Iran haven’t had a major arms deal since the infamous C-802/C-801 arms deals.

What would Iran do with the J-10? It’s just a toy against the US or Israel.

 

[Zoyou]

 

[Immortals]

What would Iran do with the J-10? It’s just a toy against the US or Israel.

A 1960’s F-5 was able to bomb a U.S. base and return home. Not sure why you think USAF is the equivalent of a Death Star. A capable Iranian airforce would be able to get its punches in and take the strain off the air defense squads doing all the work. I said the many times before the war.

Sure Iran cannot compete head to head against F-35 or F-22. However,
The main problem of any Iranian airforce is actually being able to survive while on the ground refueling and rearming. The solution to that is more mountain airbases like Oghab-44 and overall much stronger air defenses than whatever Iran built for the last 2 decades (which was not much at the end of the day outside of some mobile SAMs and the a few S-300 from Russia).

Iran’s future focus should be on a fast interceptor force that is focused on countering intrusions into its airspace whether the craft comes from China or Russia is irrelevant.

 

[Immortals]

 

[ShapurII]

Too violent. Much better to keep existing blockade and hope IRGC runs out of cash. Bankruptcy is much preferable to bombs. Iranian money has six zeroes now. When it reaches twelve or fifteen zeroes, an agreement will be reached.

It's not about the number of zeros on a country's bank notes. Turkish Lira had six zeroes as well, they removed it in early 2000s or something. They have added another zero, or maybe two zeros, after that again.

Also, it took 47 years of sanctions to add 5 zeroes to Iran's currency. Adding another 6 zeroes will take another half a century.

Anyway, you should look at purchaser power instead of zeros, and yes, Iran's purchase power has diminished by about 70% since 2009. That averages to 7% per year. So, it's going to take a while. But thanks to your idiocy, you have united Iranians for the time being. It wasn't like this before February 28th.

 

[MH.Yang]

They offered an outdated variant and one that was not suitable for Iran’s large country size.

China and Iran haven’t had a major arms deal since the infamous C-802/C-801 arms deals.

Yes, the J-10A provided by China in 2015 does not have AESA, it is just a regular 4G fighter jet.

But the J-10A is already the most advanced fighter jet that China was able to export in 2015. The J-10C made its maiden flight in 2017, not 2015.

In 2015, 4.5G fighter jets equipped with AESA were not the mainstream, 4G fighter jets were the mainstream.


@Kyussis

Moreover, China's proactive provision of J-10 to Iran is sufficient proof that China is not afraid of sanctions, which is what I want to prove.

What is preventing China from selling planes is not sanctions, but Iran's internal political forces!

 

[kambhakt]

Too violent. Much better to keep existing blockade and hope IRGC runs out of cash. Bankruptcy is much preferable to bombs. Iranian money has six zeroes now. When it reaches twelve or fifteen zeroes, an agreement will be reached.

Your president is not known to be able to play the long game. And by the time that happens, gulf oil will no longer be in the market and oil may have reached 250 USD/barrel.

 

[Flotilla]

Agreeing to a ceasefire before establishing deterrence will cost Iran.

It seems like they never learned this lesson despite all the episodes since the assassination of Soleimani.

If Islamic Republic wouldn't get any benefit of this truce they would be launching missiles daily.

Irán is probably repairing tunnels and entrances to missile cities, assembling more missiles (at least liquid fuelled ones) and reinforcing Air defenses.

It is US the one that have 3 carriers and a dozen of destroyers deployed In the region. That cost millions daily.

Time is running against them also.

 

[Lulldapull]

A 1960’s F-5 was able to bomb a U.S. base and return home. Not sure why you think USAF is the equivalent of a Death Star. A capable Iranian airforce would be able to get its punches in and take the strain off the air defense squads doing all the work. I said the many times before the war.

Sure Iran cannot compete head to head against F-35 or F-22. However,
The main problem of any Iranian airforce is actually being able to survive while on the ground refueling and rearming. The solution to that is more mountain airbases like Oghab-44 and overall much stronger air defenses than whatever Iran built for the last 2 decades (which was not much at the end of the day outside of some mobile SAMs and the a few S-300 from Russia).

Iran’s future focus should be on a fast interceptor force that is focused on countering intrusions into its airspace whether the craft comes from China or Russia is irrelevant.

I believe Iran is reworking the qaher into a drone with AI capabilities just like the Kararr drone.

 

[BHAN85]

It is US the one that have 3 carriers and a dozen of destroyers deployed In the region. That cost millions daily.

Time is running against them also.

Yes, USS Gerald Ford must come back home in late May, it's running out his max deployment time.