Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[EugeneP]

As I have said, the only options left to accomplish Netanyahu's goals are to carpet bomb Iran with heavy bombers a la Dresden style (not even enough missiles are available) or to drop multiple nukes on Iran. The first is an option with many risks because during the so-called rescue of the American pilot, multiple American aircrafts were lost. Latter one, the nuking, is an option but not really because neither the American or the Israeli existence is at stake.
However I slice and dice, Iran has the upper hand in this conflict, at least as of now.

Too violent. Much better to keep existing blockade and hope IRGC runs out of cash. Bankruptcy is much preferable to bombs. Iranian money has six zeroes now. When it reaches twelve or fifteen zeroes, an agreement will be reached.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

We may be seeing the lull before the storm......The calm we're seeing now without progress in the talks is not reassuring.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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Sounds like Iran might decide to go nuclear. In my opinion, this is just posturing for negotiations. Both sides are waiting for the other to blink first.

Iran was already attacked twice while they were negotiating on the nuclear issue with the US.

Iran knows they can never satisfy Satanyahu's demands since he seems to be the man who has the final say on which directions the talks would go visavis the HEU and the missile program. So it seems from Mojtaba's and IRGC's point of view, there is nothing to talk about in these 2 areas.

Iran is under a new leadership - a man who is reportedly had enough of the endless negotiations. We're talking about a leader whose immediate family was martyred in the recent unprovoked attack on Iran. So, if circumstances permit, he would do anything in his power to speed things up!

 

[SolarWarden]

Iran was already attacked twice while they were negotiating on the nuclear issue with the US.

Iran knows they can never satisfy Satanyahu's demands since he seems to be the man who has the final say on which directions the talks would go visavis the HEU and the missile program. So it seems from Mojtaba's and IRGC's point of view, there is nothing to talk about in these 2 areas.

Iran is under a new leadership - a man who is reportedly had enough of the endless negotiations. We're talking about a leader whose immediate family was martyred in the recent unprovoked attack on Iran. So, if circumstances permit, he would do anything in his power to speed things up!

Oh come on!! Just because US attacked Iran twice under the pretense of negotiations doesn't mean it's going to happen again. You can trust the US this time to not attack Iran because US has said pinky swear and when US pinky swears the word is bond.

 

[LC150]

There’s also another member currently active who was about an inch away from becoming a Pahlavist before this war began. I distinctly recall a conversation between these two individuals just before the war started, something to the effect that the Islamic regime would collapse within a matter of days once an attack began. I actually believed them at the time, hindsight is 20/20, of course.

The more I interact with these Pahlavist types, the more I realize that even though Reza Pahlavi is the most prominent opposition figure, the chances of his cohort taking control of Iran are slim to none.

The member who was previously on the verge of becoming a Pahlavist is now blaming Pakistan for saving the United States from Iran, while his Pahlavist fellow countrymen are blaming us for saving the Islamic Republic. Oh the irony!

At any rate, we neither brought the Islamic regime to power nor will we be the ones to cause its downfall. I have no ill will toward the Iranian people, this is a decision for them to make, and I wish them the best regardless of their government.

these fools don't realize around end of the 1970s when Gen Zia came to power and then revolution relations went cold to the very least

 

[MH.Yang]

From what I had read, it wasn't that Iran decided to neglect their air force, but that sanctions and the reluctance of countries like China and Russia to actually deliver anything resulted in the focus on missiles and drones, which could be made and improved domestically.

The Iranian air force pulled off many daring and difficult missions in the Iran Iraq war when it still possessed good equipment.

Looking back at past few decades, the economic sanctions and the prohibition on providing aircraft and air defense to Iran were two things which undoubtedly hurt the country a lot.

Sanctions? China doesn't care about that. China once offered the J-10 to Iran voluntarily, but Iran refused.

 

[KAL-EL]

We may be seeing the lull before the storm......The calm we're seeing now without progress in the talks is not reassuring.

This ^

I try to be a half glass full kind of guy but I'm afraid things are about to go over a cliff.

 

[Immortals]

Sanctions? China doesn't care about that. China once offered the J-10 to Iran voluntarily, but Iran refused.

They offered an outdated variant and one that was not suitable for Iran’s large country size.

China and Iran haven’t had a major arms deal since the infamous C-802/C-801 arms deals.

 

[Immortals]

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[Lulldapull]

They offered an outdated variant and one that was not suitable for Iran’s large country size.

China and Iran haven’t had a major arms deal since the infamous C-802/C-801 arms deals.

What would Iran do with the J-10? It’s just a toy against the US or Israel.

 

[Zoyou]

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[Immortals]

What would Iran do with the J-10? It’s just a toy against the US or Israel.

A 1960’s F-5 was able to bomb a U.S. base and return home. Not sure why you think USAF is the equivalent of a Death Star. A capable Iranian airforce would be able to get its punches in and take the strain off the air defense squads doing all the work. I said the many times before the war.

Sure Iran cannot compete head to head against F-35 or F-22. However,
The main problem of any Iranian airforce is actually being able to survive while on the ground refueling and rearming. The solution to that is more mountain airbases like Oghab-44 and overall much stronger air defenses than whatever Iran built for the last 2 decades (which was not much at the end of the day outside of some mobile SAMs and the a few S-300 from Russia).

Iran’s future focus should be on a fast interceptor force that is focused on countering intrusions into its airspace whether the craft comes from China or Russia is irrelevant.

 

[Immortals]

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[ShapurII]

Too violent. Much better to keep existing blockade and hope IRGC runs out of cash. Bankruptcy is much preferable to bombs. Iranian money has six zeroes now. When it reaches twelve or fifteen zeroes, an agreement will be reached.

It's not about the number of zeros on a country's bank notes. Turkish Lira had six zeroes as well, they removed it in early 2000s or something. They have added another zero, or maybe two zeros, after that again.

Also, it took 47 years of sanctions to add 5 zeroes to Iran's currency. Adding another 6 zeroes will take another half a century.

Anyway, you should look at purchaser power instead of zeros, and yes, Iran's purchase power has diminished by about 70% since 2009. That averages to 7% per year. So, it's going to take a while. But thanks to your idiocy, you have united Iranians for the time being. It wasn't like this before February 28th.