Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Cipher212]

Your nuclear weapons did not deter nuclear india from launching operations sindoor last year.

Also, this is probably the first war where the US's airforce has underperformed in helping US achieve its military goals- US and israel bombed semi intensely for 40 days, and with no ground support to compliment the airstrikes, the US opted for a ceasefire, which it unilaterally extended,and then replaced resuming aerial bombing of with a blockade- NOT GOOD results from primary reliance on airforce to fight the war.
If and when US loses this war, many countries with large, heavily-invested airforce will have serious doubts about heir effecitveness, no wonder the Arabs(and toothless nato) didnt activate their 100s of fighter jets against iran- if US couldn't use it's airforce effectively, how could they?

Nuclear weapons are precisely the reason that it won't get any hotter than Operation Sindoor. Nothing really ground breaking happened. Losses on both sides were minor all things considered.

 

[Shags101]

What was holding Chump back the first 4 weeks of his 4 day war?

He might finally use that kill switch to turn off Iran altogether…..also supposedly our clown in chief doesn’t partake in alcohol just likes fat greasy food as we can all tell

 

[ziaulislam]

My fault, I knew better.

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What ever memes you make..doesnt change facts .

The fact is 1 out of every 5 barrel produced is in USA, benefits so its only natural that if oil goes up USA will benefit. Even though this may bring some inflation but oil companies will benefit, the share holders and the economy as a whole

Usa produces twice the amount of next big producer..its not even a competition ..it produces more then next top 10(excluding saudis/russians)

And alot of usa oil is capped i.e not in production because saudis unlike USA can produce them cheap.

So if oil goes down it hurt USA production and if it goes up, it helps them as shale is viable at 50$

So in other words.. USA needs higher oil prices for its production to increase!!

In long run usa has super surplus of gas.. LNG Can be brought into system in 2-3 years

If qatar is out, usa may bring its own production into system and able yo compete with qatar

At cheap prices USA oil becomes unfeasible but not at high prices

Memes dont change reality..which is usa doesnt care about hormoz strait and infact it benefits from it closure... something asia and Europe doesnt..

 

[Mujahid]

In ka mulk in ki marzi.. Iran have also been supporting Bashar ul Asad in Syria during civil war and was hand in hand with this genocidal for hosting Russians in Syrian territory.. So if hosting foreign Christian forces in Syria was right so other countries hosting some other foreign Christian country is right too..
Every country twist the morality which benefit them..
Iran is not a holy cow and it should not dictate their neighbors.. They have already bombed its neighbors in the pretext of hosting its enemies.. Now both the sides are fair in their point of view..
Every thing is fair in love and war..

First Iran should develop its own morality and then dictate others.. They destroyed the lives of Syrians, Iraqis and Lebanese for their own interest..

 

[Lulldapull]

Theres really sweet fuvk all the US can do about Iran now.

Irans the one that’s gotten away.

 

[Lulldapull]

Seems like Iran has secretly or subtly let US know that any complete blockade of its oil shipments via soh would mean return to war

lol…..more like trumps hollow blockade was just talk.

Meanwhile Irans still selectively blocking.

 

[Lulldapull]

What was holding Chump back the first 4 weeks of his 4 day war?

Vietnam took a decade, as did Iraq or Syria. Afghanistan took 2 decades.

Irans fawkin beaten the US in just 40 days.

 

[Meengla]

The complete absence of nuance in these people is mildly amusing.
“For 47 years, Pakistan has aided the IRGC.” Does this baby-faced twink know that Pakistan’s relationship with the IRGC and the broader Islamic Republic has ebbed and flowed—from mild belligerence to a lukewarm, reluctant embrace? Even accounting for the current, nascent improvement in relations, there’s an argument to be made that they still have not reached the level of our ties under the Shah, who actually helped us in our 1965 and 1971 wars with India.
We have also occasionally had to bear the brunt of the export of Iran’s sectarian conflicts. If Pakistan were the foremost backer of Iran right now, we wouldn’t be this gucci(comfortable) with the United States and the GCC (barring the Emiratis, of course, who are a unique specimen unto themselves).
I also recall a conversation with a Pahlavist on this forum before this war began who was similarly obsessed with Pakistan. Not taking any names, as I’m not interested in getting into a “tu-tu main-main” contest, there are already too many of those going on here already.

I think your post is worth pondering and referencing.
Pakistanis don't care much who controls Iran--communists, seculars, or some Mullahs--as long as the regime is not foothold for the Israelis, which would be, by extension, a foothold for the Indians. India's PM Modi was in Israel just two days before the attack on Iran started and that was not a coincidence. Pakistan had very good relations with the Iran of the Reza Shah Pahlavi and then fairly decent relations since 1979 despite a few relatively minor hiccups.
And I absolutely don't see any scenario where the Pakistani state and the people would turn against Iran even if that would take dumping Saudi Arabia and America; doing so would mean Pakistan would alienate a nation of 90+ million people on a border which is not only a long border but also, along with the border with China, the only peaceful border Pakistan has.

 

[Meengla]

In a lighter mood, if Trump were to walk over a pile of DUNG , he would say 'I had a great meeting with the DUNG leadership. Such a great pile of DUNG. Magnificent. Great history. Absolutely amazing piece of DUNG. I believe we will make great things together with this pile of DUNG. Amazing leadership by DUNG! The DUNG is a great. The DUNG, the DUNG, the DUNG is so great'.

 

[Meengla]

US not being able to effectively destroy and dismantle Iran's military operations and infrastructure this year is the biggest blunder the US has made in its Iran policy since 1979. I will guess amd say that anybody who doubts this believes in "white is right" logic.

As I have said, the only options left to accomplish Netanyahu's goals are to carpet bomb Iran with heavy bombers a la Dresden style (not even enough missiles are available) or to drop multiple nukes on Iran. The first is an option with many risks because during the so-called rescue of the American pilot, multiple American aircrafts were lost. Latter one, the nuking, is an option but not really because neither the American or the Israeli existence is at stake.
However I slice and dice, Iran has the upper hand in this conflict, at least as of now.

 

[EugeneP]

As I have said, the only options left to accomplish Netanyahu's goals are to carpet bomb Iran with heavy bombers a la Dresden style (not even enough missiles are available) or to drop multiple nukes on Iran. The first is an option with many risks because during the so-called rescue of the American pilot, multiple American aircrafts were lost. Latter one, the nuking, is an option but not really because neither the American or the Israeli existence is at stake.
However I slice and dice, Iran has the upper hand in this conflict, at least as of now.

Too violent. Much better to keep existing blockade and hope IRGC runs out of cash. Bankruptcy is much preferable to bombs. Iranian money has six zeroes now. When it reaches twelve or fifteen zeroes, an agreement will be reached.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

We may be seeing the lull before the storm......The calm we're seeing now without progress in the talks is not reassuring.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Sounds like Iran might decide to go nuclear. In my opinion, this is just posturing for negotiations. Both sides are waiting for the other to blink first.

Iran was already attacked twice while they were negotiating on the nuclear issue with the US.

Iran knows they can never satisfy Satanyahu's demands since he seems to be the man who has the final say on which directions the talks would go visavis the HEU and the missile program. So it seems from Mojtaba's and IRGC's point of view, there is nothing to talk about in these 2 areas.

Iran is under a new leadership - a man who is reportedly had enough of the endless negotiations. We're talking about a leader whose immediate family was martyred in the recent unprovoked attack on Iran. So, if circumstances permit, he would do anything in his power to speed things up!

 

[SolarWarden]

Iran was already attacked twice while they were negotiating on the nuclear issue with the US.

Iran knows they can never satisfy Satanyahu's demands since he seems to be the man who has the final say on which directions the talks would go visavis the HEU and the missile program. So it seems from Mojtaba's and IRGC's point of view, there is nothing to talk about in these 2 areas.

Iran is under a new leadership - a man who is reportedly had enough of the endless negotiations. We're talking about a leader whose immediate family was martyred in the recent unprovoked attack on Iran. So, if circumstances permit, he would do anything in his power to speed things up!

Oh come on!! Just because US attacked Iran twice under the pretense of negotiations doesn't mean it's going to happen again. You can trust the US this time to not attack Iran because US has said pinky swear and when US pinky swears the word is bond.

 

[LC150]

There’s also another member currently active who was about an inch away from becoming a Pahlavist before this war began. I distinctly recall a conversation between these two individuals just before the war started, something to the effect that the Islamic regime would collapse within a matter of days once an attack began. I actually believed them at the time, hindsight is 20/20, of course.

The more I interact with these Pahlavist types, the more I realize that even though Reza Pahlavi is the most prominent opposition figure, the chances of his cohort taking control of Iran are slim to none.

The member who was previously on the verge of becoming a Pahlavist is now blaming Pakistan for saving the United States from Iran, while his Pahlavist fellow countrymen are blaming us for saving the Islamic Republic. Oh the irony!

At any rate, we neither brought the Islamic regime to power nor will we be the ones to cause its downfall. I have no ill will toward the Iranian people, this is a decision for them to make, and I wish them the best regardless of their government.

these fools don't realize around end of the 1970s when Gen Zia came to power and then revolution relations went cold to the very least