PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Michael]

Probably some elements downgraded

Maybe. You could look into this issue seriously. You might arrive at a completely opposite conclusion.

My conclusion is that the non-platform performance of the export variant of the FC-31/J-35 will exceed that of the J-35A. (Differences in weapons and ammunition are no longer within the scope of analysis.)

BTW:
According to recently surfaced academic papers, China is currently developing—or may have already completed the development of—a stealth cruise missile specifically designed for the internal weapons bay (IWB) of a fifth-generation fighter. Based on the data disclosed in these papers, it has been confirmed that this is a product intended for export. It is likely designed to serve as a dedicated munition for the export variant of the FC-31/J-35.

 

[Yasser76]

Maybe. You could look into this issue seriously. You might arrive at a completely opposite conclusion.

My conclusion is that the non-platform performance of the export variant of the FC-31/J-35 will exceed that of the J-35A. (Differences in weapons and ammunition are no longer within the scope of analysis.)

BTW:
According to recently surfaced academic papers, China is currently developing—or may have already completed the development of—a stealth cruise missile specifically designed for the internal weapons bay (IWB) of a fifth-generation fighter. Based on the data disclosed in these papers, it has been confirmed that this is a product intended for export. It is likely designed to serve as a dedicated munition for the export variant of the FC-31/J-35.

What makes you think China would offer greater non platform capabilities in the J-35 for export?

 

[HH-9A]

It would be interesting to know what RAM will be used for export version of J35A. After all, RAM used for F22 and B2 is considered top secret to USAF.

 

[Michael]

What makes you think China would offer greater non platform capabilities in the J-35 for export?

If I were to delve into a detailed explanation of this analytical process, I would have to employ a great deal of terminology specific to the Chinese context. Once run through Google Translate, these terms would give rise to significant ambiguity. Moreover, this forum is frequented by many individuals who seem to make it their mission to nitpick every minor detail of my posts. Therefore, you will need to undertake some of this analysis yourself.

Let me offer you a small hint:
You can enlist the help of an AI to conduct an in-depth analysis of China's mindset regarding "体系化作战." ------ It is crucial to note that this differs significantly from the U.S. concept of "systems of systems." Translation software and AI tools often tend to treat these two concepts as identical.
The J-35 fighter jet is China's first product entirely based on this mindset.

 

[Yasser76]

If I were to delve into a detailed explanation of this analytical process, I would have to employ a great deal of terminology specific to the Chinese context. Once run through Google Translate, these terms would give rise to significant ambiguity. Moreover, this forum is frequented by many individuals who seem to make it their mission to nitpick every minor detail of my posts. Therefore, you will need to undertake some of this analysis yourself.

Let me offer you a small hint:
You can enlist the help of an AI to conduct an in-depth analysis of China's mindset regarding "体系化作战." ------ It is crucial to note that this differs significantly from the U.S. concept of "systems of systems." Translation software and AI tools often tend to treat these two concepts as identical.
The J-35 fighter jet is China's first product entirely based on this mindset.

I am sorry you have to worry about people nitpicking on your posts

Still do not understand the concept here though...

 

[HH-9A]

The J35A used by plaaf likely is treated as a node of a network centric warfare system, thus some subsystems will only be found on plaaf J35A for integrating into PLA established networks, and will not be found in exported version ( similarly, J10CE doesn’t feature a vertical blade antenna on the back of fuselage, which can be found on PLA J10C).

However, I guess additional features aiming at reinforcing the individual platform’s performance will be included in the J35A for export. This is necessary as likely the exported J35A will have much reduced integrated network system support and SA, comparing to PLA J35A, and have to rely more on its own performance to battle the enemy.

 

[Aziqbal]

If I were to delve into a detailed explanation of this analytical process, I would have to employ a great deal of terminology specific to the Chinese context. Once run through Google Translate, these terms would give rise to significant ambiguity. Moreover, this forum is frequented by many individuals who seem to make it their mission to nitpick every minor detail of my posts. Therefore, you will need to undertake some of this analysis yourself.

Let me offer you a small hint:
You can enlist the help of an AI to conduct an in-depth analysis of China's mindset regarding "体系化作战." ------ It is crucial to note that this differs significantly from the U.S. concept of "systems of systems." Translation software and AI tools often tend to treat these two concepts as identical.
The J-35 fighter jet is China's first product entirely based on this mindset.

does the J35 need temperature controlled hangers ? or is that a myth ?

 

[mythbuster]

Allow me to delve into it in my own simplistic way....J 35 is an answer to F 35...it has to prove it's superiority over it...J 35 will be exported to selected few countries...in case of Pakistan it has to give Pakistan air dominance in the region , not just over India...in coming decade middle east will fall under china Pakistan sphere of influence.

 

[Yasser76]

Allow me to delve into it in my own simplistic way....J 35 is an answer to F 35...it has to prove it's superiority over it...J 35 will be exported to selected few countries...in case of Pakistan it has to give Pakistan air dominance in the region , not just over India...in coming decade middle east will fall under china Pakistan sphere of influence.

Yes, on this I imagine China will insist on some pretty strong safeguards to ensure security of J-35s.

We still have US monitoring teams at Shabaz and Mushaf bases. Think we will end up basing these J-35s at very secure locations like Kamra or Bolhari

 

[mythbuster]

Yes, on this I imagine China will insist on some pretty strong safeguards to ensure security of J-35s.

We still have US monitoring teams at Shabaz and Mushaf bases. Think we will end up basing these J-35s at very secure locations like Kamra or Bolhari

Certainly , it's natural to ask for safeguards ....I am not sure if American monitoring teams are still there , it's just an added expense that serves no purpose for any of the party ...J 35 won't be kept in one base if they are 40 or above in numbers.

 

[Yasser76]

Certainly , it's natural to ask for safeguards ....I am not sure if American monitoring teams are still there , it's just an added expense that serves no purpose for any of the party ...J 35 won't be kept in one base if they are 40 or above in numbers.

Think they still are, saw a DoD contract given to some big US corporation (forgot the name), it funded monitoring all the way to 2030....

Fair to say CIA will be doing it's level best to get any insights into both the J-10 and the J-35....

 

[KingQamaR]

People underestimate the felon too much. So much talk of exposed rivets and rcs translates into just ridiculous cope of it not being a proper 5th gen. Its behind in many ways but calling it non-stealth is just in poor tatse

Then what is the gen of SU57? No super-cruise, no stealth, no modern avionics, no AESA radar, no link 16.....

4.5 at best.

 

[HH-9A]

Allow me to delve into it in my own simplistic way....J 35 is an answer to F 35...it has to prove it's superiority over it...J 35 will be exported to selected few countries...in case of Pakistan it has to give Pakistan air dominance in the region , not just over India...in coming decade middle east will fall under china Pakistan sphere of influence.

PAF is building an air superiority that will be unrivalled in the operating theatres, that capacity is symboled by J35A+KJ500 + HQ19/HQ9/HQ16, a completed integrated air defence and superiority system. Gulf nations including Saudi recognise this unmatched air superiority that’s why they signed mutual defence treaty, despite their budgets for their own Air Forces are several times more than that of PAF. The gulf nations are aware the gap coming from their own Air Forces lacking of a stealth platform that can rival F35I. Once J35AE is deployed, the power provided by twin WS19 engines will beat the single F135 of F35, and GaN based Aesa will outperform GaAs based APG 81 of F35. The capabilities of KJ500 likely will outperform any AWACS fielded by IAF, PL15 or even PL16 in future will out shot any amraam from IAF.

 

[Yasser76]

Then what is the gen of SU57? No super-cruise, no stealth, no modern avionics, no AESA radar, no link 16.....

4.5 at best.

Even 4.5 is being generous. Indians are more keen on Rafale then SU-57...

 

[Yasser76]

PAF is building an air superiority that will be unrivalled in the operating theatres, that capacity is symboled by J35A+KJ500 + HQ19/HQ9/HQ16, a completed integrated air defence and superiority system. Gulf nations including Saudi recognise this unmatched air superiority that’s why they signed mutual defence treaty, despite their budgets for their own Air Forces are several times more than that of PAF. The gulf nations are aware the gap coming from their own Air Forces lacking of a stealth platform that can rival F35I. Once J35AE is deployed, the power provided by twin WS19 engines will beat the single F135 of F35, and GaN based Aesa will outperform GaAs based APG 81 of F35. The capabilities of KJ500 likely will outperform any AWACS fielded by IAF.

First time in history that the balance of air power will actually be massively in Pakistan's favour.