Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

[Beijingwalker]

Yes, and the REALITY is Confederate DID Attack first. Which makes it matter, because it DID happen, it is NOT an opinion, nor guess.

Again, would you think Mao or Chiang would negotiate with Japan AFTER the 7/7 incident and cross the Marco Polo Bridge?

KMT also attacked communists first, but it's China's domestic affairs. What does China's domestic affairs. 7/7 incident was a war between China and a foreign country, communists and nationalist were at same page about foreign invasions. but here we are talking about China's domestic affairs, it has nothing to do with you foreigners, you can leave now.

 

[Beijingwalker]

What has 7/7 incident got to do with the ongoing discussion ? How can you draw comparisons between civil war and foreign invasion..... you read roo much and learn too little.

His mind is always messed up. we all can see it but he can't.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Irans demolished all 24 US bases in the ME. Thats the end of this drama.

Those US bases will not be rebuilt now! No matter how much the colluddzz bitch n moan! It’s just not going to be allowed by Iran anymore

This war also caused the following issues.

The United States' war goals were to change the Iranian regime, control the oil in the Middle East, and address the nuclear issue.

After the Epstein Coalition assassinated Iran's head of state, the Iranian regime was changed, but the new government is a tough anti-American regime.

Iran gained control over the Strait of Hormuz. However, before the Epstein Coalition invaded Iran, the Strait of Hormuz could be safely navigated. This affected the financial hegemony of the United States, and the oil-dollar system was hit.

Nuclear issue: The United States hoped to reach an agreement with Iran on the nuclear issue. But in 2018, it was Trump who unilaterally withdrew from the agreement.

If judging based on the three war goals of changing the Iranian regime, controlling the oil in the Middle East, and addressing the nuclear issue, the United States lost this war.

However, Trump won. Trump repeatedly manipulated the stock market and government budgets, and he and his son gained tremendous profits from this war.

The United States’ Secretary of War also won. In September 2025, the Pentagon's total monthly expenditure reached $93.4 billion, a record high. In just the last five working days of that month, $50.1 billion was spent, exceeding the annual defense budgets of most countries worldwide.

From the Americans I have interacted with, these Americans never care about the country's interests and future, they do not care about the country's honor and reputation, and they care even less about the people suffering under the Epstein Coalition's bombings. They treat war as a game and take pleasure in the suffering of others.

 

[ety]

The US military potential is directly linked to military potentials of allies. With it the US to win the war against Iran is impossible to 0, as a veteran US military general puts it.
Least against any other bigger military rivals.

Trump just threatens to withdraw or reduce the US troop in Germany. If he wants to shrink the US military might further, he is welcome. The Germans just say they don’t care.

I thought the Germans just as the Japanese will cry and will do whatever possible try to keep American soldiers on their soils. Once a slave will always be slave. Anyways, Japan and Germany need to be caged one way or the other for the sake of the world.

 

[Lulldapull]

Look at this gents:

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Trump sahb is looking at a deal here where he sells all them colluddzz off to Iran at a bargain and just asks Iran for a cut!

Thats it!

Just wash your hands off of the mess and walk away and let Iran manage them like colonies.

 

[Viet]

I thought the Germans just as the Japanese will cry and will do whatever possible try to keep American soldiers on their soils. Once a slave will always be slave. Anyways, Japan and Germany need to be caged one way or the other for the sake of the world.

The US now is more dangerous. You say so because China relationship to Japan is bad. As for Germany, it’s only the Russians that say Nazi to Ukraine, Germany, France and other, the rest of Europe doesn’t think so.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I thought the Germans just as the Japanese will cry and will do whatever possible try to keep American soldiers on their soils. Once a slave will always be slave. Anyways, Japan and Germany need to be caged one way or the other for the sake of the world.

I agree with your point of view.

However, I look at the problem from a different perspective.

Japan and Germany were the initiators of World War II. The current international order is built on the foundation of the victory over the Axis powers.

If Japan and Germany abandon their responsibilities as defeated countries, the existing international order would lose its legal basis, all countries would completely lose trust in it, and the world would regress back to the law of the jungle, which could very well be the beginning of a large-scale war.

Unfortunately, this is happening. The United States has troops in both of these countries and is responsible for managing them. But these two countries are abandoning their responsibilities as defeated countries, and the United States hopes to treat them as proxies.

On November 21, 2025, China sent a letter to the UN Secretary-General, fully stating its position. China clearly pointed out that Japan’s actions seriously violate international law and the basic norms of international relations, severely undermining the post-war international order. If Japan uses force to interfere in China’s internal affairs, it will be regarded as an act of aggression against China. China will exercise its right of self-defense in accordance with the UN Charter and international law.

Japan has long promoted the abolition of the Enemy State Clause. However, this clause has not undergone any formal abolition procedure and is still effective today.

The Enemy State Clause consists of Articles 53, 77, and 107 of the UN Charter. Its core is that any steps taken by countries such as Germany, Italy, or Japan — which were fascist or militarist — to implement any further aggression policies can be directly met with military action by founding member states of the UN, such as China, France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, and the United States, without Security Council authorization.

I believe that after Trump visits China, the situation may change. If the United States does not manage its pet dog properly and tries to let it bite, the best way to deal with a mad dog is to kill it.

 

[j_hungary]

What has 7/7 incident got to do with the ongoing discussion ? How can you draw comparisons between civil war and foreign invasion..... you read roo much and learn too little.

I didn't bring the US Civil War into the discussion; Beijing did. Ask him how this is related to the topic at hand.

and 7/7 referred to this

Marco Polo Bridge incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This started the Japanese Invasion of China.

 

[j_hungary]

KMT also attacked communists first, but it's China's domestic affairs. What does China's domestic affairs. 7/7 incident was a war between China and a foreign country, communists and nationalist were at same page about foreign invasions. but here we are talking about China's domestic affairs, it has nothing to do with you foreigners, you can leave now.

lol. Again, I probably pay more tax to the Mainland Chinese government than you (Last year I paid around 250,000 RMB to STA on a 2 million RMB corporate income tax). Maybe if you can talk to them and refund my tax, I will gladly be gone.

 

[Ag1123]

Projecting power is difficult,

Most countries of the world are weak, so projecting power against Kenya, Cambodia, Jamaica etc isn't too difficult for the U.S

But their are a few countries like Iran, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, France, UK that it's just dangerous and difficult

The Iran war has proven that and if China was serious about taking Taiwan it could do so and their was nothing the U.S can do about it

It could, China has to be careful not to get into a “Vietnam”.

Eventually China will take Taiwan, the writing is on the wall. How they go about it will be the question?

if it’s military force, US will take full advantage and Chinas name will be smeared as well as weaken their capabilities.

If it’s through peaceful cooperation, that might benefit China more, and that outcome and scenario I believe may be more likely as it will benefit both China and Taiwan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I always knew that US had long lost its capabilities to wage overseas wars. They only realised it now. Pure arrogance blinded their eyes for too long.

yet American appetite for war is not over.. they plan to attack Cuba after this war and maybe some other country as Natanyahu sees fit.

 

[VCheng]

yet American appetite for war is not over.. they plan to attack Cuba after this war and maybe some other country as Natanyahu sees fit.

But how can both premises be true, unless of course one also postulated that USA has lost the capabilities to wage overseas wars and yet chooses to go ahead with them, one after the other, still, because they simply are too dumb to realize that?

And the world just watches and does nothing?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

But how can both premises be true, unless of course one also postulated that USA has lost the capabilities to wage overseas wars and yet chooses to go ahead with them, one after the other, still, because they simply are too dumb to realize that?

And the world just watches and does nothing?

Americans have great war stamina.
people are clueless.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Projecting power is difficult,

But their are a few countries like Iran, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, France, UK that it's just dangerous and difficult

it is certainly dangerous but the US has only hit specific areas.

Families in Tehran aren't exactly huddled in bombshelters afraid to walk out into the streets..and it isn't because of superb Iranian air defenses or a shortage of US bombs.

 

[Neojinnah]

Americans have great war stamina.
people are clueless.

The US is the leading war economy and martial society on the planet. The US military as an institution has a 100+ year history of crushing and subjugating weaker countries. To hide this, the US has built a massive entertainment and media network which does everything to show them as a weak and ineffectual country which blunders its way through its wars and experiences great moral anguish at the crimes its forced to commit at the behest of Israel. It's truly masterful to the point it fooled entities like Hamas and Hezbollah into thinking that they would intervene to prevent Israel from carrying out a bloodbath in Gaza and Lebanon.