Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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U.S. bond yields at the levels where Trump previously TACO’d on tariffs and accepted a ceasefire in Iran.

Likely related to his vicious attacks on Powell today, begging for lower interest rates (not going to happen).
 
kobra said:
I Know Iran is not going to invade any one, I was just responding to the thesis that UAEAF will stop the hypothetical invasion of Iran.

War has changed a lot in last two decades. Brits ruled half of the world with out airforce so as many empires in past, but thats the ancient history. Miserable failures of US in Afg, Vietnam, Iraq and Ukrainan quagmire for Russia is evidence of it. Now we have AI controlled Drones hunting down whatever humans fighting 1 on 1 in battlefield.
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This will be a different military warfare debate. But I will just briefly respond for the last time on the subject of "Iranian invasion of GCC". Its impractical by every sense. The Iranians success you see is its missile and drone force which it has built and invested for decades and hardened it in underground bases. By seeing that success you cannot conclude that can Iran somehow invade into another territory without traditional military & logistic layers.

There is no concept of moving mass forces without air support in modern warfare. Now you rightly said that drones are taking roles in battlespace as we see in ukraine russia war, but here's the thing there is no alternative to fighter jets. No drone can shoot down a fighter jet. While fighter jets armed with LGBs can annihilate an entire convoy of military trucks and at same time can shoot down drones. Again the scenes of FPV drones you see in Ukraine war are not implementable here. As in Ukraine the two frontlines are in contact with each other and pushing other, those FPV drones are short range drones being controlled by the frontlines themselves. They don't have to solve the problem of transporting mass number of soldiers across several countries to reach the frontline as they are already in contact. Plus Ukraine/Russia is densely forest / woodland, giving soldiers a million places to hide while operating those short range drones. To reach uae, any force from iran would have to travel in open in a desert for 1000s of kilometers Or cross a sea. Both are suicidal missions.

Lulldapull said:
There are big PMU units in Iraq. Houthis are there too. Iran has a million men under arms.

Abbu-G humreeka tried for 40 days but failed to counter Iran. Wonder what a demoralized GCC can do now?
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Bro, I feel that you make such statements knowingly that don't make any sense. Houthis can't travel in their toyotas across Saudi and Oman to reach uae or qatar. Houthis are dugged in north western yemen. Let's not fool ourselves.

As far as Iraq PMUs are concerned, forget about invading any country, let's ask them to first invade the US base in Iraq or even take care of the Kurds.

The million men under arms of Iran are for defense of Iran. US air power + gcc air forces will have a field day if such mass numbers start to move on open desert terrain. If you assume that Iran could "invade" gcc countries then why on earth iran needs underground bases in its own territory? It does because it knows that enemy airforce can hit it deep inside its own territory (and even rescue their pilots from their territory under their nose, we all saw US helicopters flying over Iranian territory with a tanker above them). and you expect Iran to go in hostile territory in a complete desert ?? You really high on something or what?

As far as US tried for 40 days, well ofcourse that's a different war. US had unwinnable objectives that to do regime change with air power or to completely destroy iran's offensive capability. If the objectives would have been to hit iranian military entering into kuwait or bahrain then you should be smart enough by now that what would have been the results. Iranian missile/drone capability survived only because its fortified in various underground bases. Anything outside is vulnerable, the leaders who were not in bunkers got killed. Iran knows its limitations and strengths. Iran will NEVER fight a war where it has weaknesses. It will only fight where it has strenghts. So take out that childish dreams of invasion.
 
Pak-Warrior said:
This will be a different military warfare debate, out of scope of this thread. But I will just briefly respond for the last time on the subject of "Iranian invasion of GCC". Its impractical by every sense. The Iranians success you see is its missile and drone force which it has built and invested for decades and hardened it in underground bases. By seeing that success you cannot conclude that Iran somehow invade into another territory without traditional military & logistic layers.

There is no concept of moving mass forces without air support in modern warfare. Now you rightly said that drones are taking roles in battlespace as we see in ukraine russia war, but here's the thing there is no alternative to fighter jets. No drone can shoot down a fighter jet. While fighter jets armed with LGBs can annihilate an entire convoy of military trucks and at same time can shoot down drones. Again the scenes of FPV drones you see in Ukraine war are not implementable here. As in Ukraine the two frontlines are in contact with each other and pushing other, those FPV drones are short range drones being controlled by the frontlines themselves. They don't have to solve the problem of transporting mass number of soldiers across several countries to reach the frontline as they are already in contact. Plus Ukraine/Russia is densely forest / woodland, giving soldiers a million places to hide while operating those short range drones. To reach uae, any force from iran would have to travel in open in a desert for 1000s of kilometers Or cross a sea. Both are suicidal missions.



Bro, I feel that you make such statements knowingly that don't make any sense. Houthis can't travel in their toyotas across Saudi and Oman to reach uae or qatar. Houthis are dugged in north western yemen. Let's not fool ourselves.

As far as Iraq PMUs are concerned, forget about invading any country, let's ask them to first invade the US base in Iraq or even take care of the Kurds.

The million men under arms of Iran are for defense of Iran. US air power + gcc air forces will have a field day if such mass numbers start to move on open desert terrain. If you assume that Iran could "invade" gcc countries then why on earth iran needs underground bases in its own territory? It does because it knows that enemy airforce can hit it deep inside its own territory (and even rescue their pilots from their territory under their nose, we all saw US helicopters flying over Iranian territory with a tanker above them). and you expect Iran to go in hostile territory in a complete desert ?? You really high on something or what?

As far as US tried for 40 days, well ofcourse that's a different war. US had unwinnable objectives that to do regime change with air power or to completely destroy iran's offensive capability. If the objectives would have been to hit iranian military entering into kuwait or bahrain then you should be smart enough by now that what would have been the results. Iranian missile/drone capability survived only because its fortified in various underground bases. Anything outside is vulnerable, the leaders who were not in bunkers got killed. Iran knows its limitations and strengths. Iran will NEVER fight a war where it has weaknesses. It will only fight where it has strenghts. So take out that childish dreams of invasion.
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Solid assessment

Iran’s military doctrine is defensive in nature
 
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U.S. bond yields at the levels where Trump previously TACO’d on tariffs and accepted a ceasefire in Iran.

Likely related to his vicious attacks on Powell today, begging for lower interest rates (not going to happen).
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Iran needs to hold their breath and get those bonds up to 6%. Set a precedent, in so doing create a credible deterence which can cover trumps lame duck presidency.

clinton was right, its the economy stupid, trump will learn the hard way.
 
Meengla said:
I am certainly not a fan of Obama but I have been in America for most of my life--35 years--and seen from Bush senior to Trump II Presidency. For many reasons, American foreign policy aligns with Israel. Most of those reasons are not valid after the Fall of the Soviet Union. Some are still valid though. But what I am certain is that the American foreign policy is more dictated by interests within America not aligned with the American longterm goals and more aligned with the grifters, the Evangelicals, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Israeli Firsters. No nation on Earth can survive such a toxic mix for long. Israelis are bleeding America and it should be grave concern to every American patriot to realize the danger. Me and several of my friends, solidly middle class, can't afford health insurance and here are fatcows fleecing us in Washington. WTH!
It is a rotten system but that's what happens when a parasite comes into your body. Israel is nothing but a cancer to the Middle East and to America unless Israel changes its living doctrine drastically. Otherwise, I am certain Israel is doomed. Absolutely.
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Usa uses Israel to control the Arabs and control the middleeast. One is control via direct links with arabs and one is through their military outpost Israel. Its by design.
 
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lightning f57 said:
Iran needs to hold their breath and get those bonds up to 6%. Set a precedent, in so doing create a credible deterence which can cover trumps lame duck presidency.

clinton was right, its the economy stupid, trump will learn the hard way.
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unfortunately many poor countries will bear the brunt of Trump's illegal war:

The UN World Food Programme estimates that the combined fallout from the Middle East conflict could push 45 million additional people into acute hunger in 2026.
 
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U.S. bond yields at the levels where Trump previously TACO’d on tariffs and accepted a ceasefire in Iran.

Likely related to his vicious attacks on Powell today, begging for lower interest rates (not going to happen).
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Yield curve is a spiral... the treasury staved off the Emarati sale of treasuries by giving a swap line. The problem is once it starts going up every one will seek an exit looking to dump as soon as possible... at this point there maybe many sitting jittery fearing being the last ones left holding the bag.
Orange did the worst thing by opening manipulating the markets and exposing himself as a shyster to the rest of the world... where his word means nothing. Oil is still manipulated to be artificially low... waiting for the day it meets reality.
 
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now even Tanker Trackers (which basically works for Trump) admits the US strategy is built on lies and ignorance
 
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Problem with Trump yeah he actually cares how people see him wants the whole world to actually to adore him praise him but as the MAGA block mostly still there he will do what he wants and until the midterms come around which is now only a several month away and if this isn’t under control by than he’s going to be lame duck president with no real powers unless the democrats or left leaning independents fail miserably which sadly could still happen
 
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