Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Professor Jiang
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Master Chief
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Check this reference:
This angled news by CBS is misleading with input of the officials in knowledge of the process and facts:
The parking of few Iranian aircrafts at Nur Khan Airbase, has been blown out of proportion by certain detractors of regional and global peace.
Hardly worth our officials responding to this ridiculous nothing burger story being spread by none other than our desperate gangetic friends to the east. It's very amateurish of them to claim "double game saaar by duplicitous Pakistan!!" over the simple parking of assets.
I'm curious what their opinion of the innocent parking of UNARMED Iranian naval assets later torpedoed by the USN might be in this context. Perhaps they should further elucidate their thoughts to their ancient civilisational allies.
On a side note, why Tel Aviv thinks they can even get anything remotely helpful out of the nation of 1.6 billion Bollywood superstars is beyond me.
东风夜放花千树
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Yes.
Since March, Trump has repeatedly announced this matter publicly. However, it was not until yesterday that the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs formally announced it.
Based on the current situation, I do not think a satisfactory agreement can be reached. In particular, Trump often violates signed agreements. For example, in October 2025, China and the U.S. reached an agreement in South Korea, but Trump did not implement it, and China did not purchase American soybeans.
We have never seen such an unconventional foreign leader, and we need to face uncertainty and unexpected events.
I am more looking forward to Putin's visit after Trump leaves. Over 25 years, Putin has visited China 23 times, and this year will be the 24th time. There are reports that Putin plans to visit China on May 18.
We prefer visitors with stable personalities, and we prefer to reach trustworthy agreements.
Meengla
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No more than cannon fodders. The Israeli manpower for war is under a lot of stress. If Russia could get 5000 soldiers against Ukraine then India could supply manpower to Israel--not beyond Modi.
This article is going viral and from no other than Robert Kagan! It is beyond a paywall though. Here is what I could grab.
Checkmate in Iran
Washington can’t reverse or control the consequences of losing this war.
www.theatlantic.com
It’s hard to think of a time when the United States suffered a total defeat in a conflict, a setback so decisive that the strategic loss could be neither repaired nor ignored. The calamitous losses suffered at Pearl Harbor, the Philippines, and throughout the Western Pacific in the first months of World War II were eventually reversed. The defeats in Vietnam and Afghanistan were costly but did not do lasting damage to America’s overall position in the world, because they were far from the main theaters of global competition. The initial failure in Iraq was mitigated by a shift in strategy that ultimately left Iraq relatively stable and unthreatening to its neighbors and kept the United States dominant in the region.
Defeat in the present confrontation with Iran will be of an entirely different character. It can neither be repaired nor ignored. There will be no return to the status quo ante, no ultimate American triumph that will undo or overcome the harm done. The Strait of Hormuz will not be “open,” as it once was. With control of the strait, Iran emerges as the key player in the region and one of the key players in the world. The roles of China and Russia, as Iran’s allies, are strengthened; the role of the United States, substantially diminished. Far from demonstrating American prowess, as supporters of the war have repeatedly claimed, the conflict has revealed an America that is unreliable and incapable of finishing what it started. That is going to set off a chain reaction around the world as friends and foes adjust to America’s failure.
ety
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Yes, Putin is coming to meet Xi right after Trump's visit. Then, Pakistani PM will also visit Beijing on May 23. They will try to sort out the oil supplies and the war. Trump is a mad man and can't be trusted on any agreements for long.
Viet
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东风夜放花千树
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The United States has already exposed its military strength, oil prices have been continuously rising, many countries are selling off U.S. Treasury bonds and shipping gold back from the United States, and oil from the Middle East and Russia is being settled in renminbi. If the war continues, the first to collapse will be U.S. debt. Currently, the yield on the 30-year U.S. Treasury bond has already exceeded 5%.
If it weren’t for Pakistan’s efforts for peace, the United States would be in a very embarrassing situation.
The United States wouldn’t even say thank you to Pakistan.
This is an arrogant country that does not know gratitude.
BHAN85
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In first trump administration, the first trump/xi meeting was in palm beach, USA soil.
Besides this is how Trump likes to humiliate weaker unworthy vassals
You won't see these humiliation handshakes games with Xi
Thanks to Trump ego we can know the current hierarchy of USA toward other countries
ety
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There will be time when US has to give up Taiwan no matter if US likes it or not as US had done twice with ROC(Taiwan) in the past decades simply because of the growing strength of China. You must remember the superpower US also dumped South Vietnam when it had to. What makes you think US won't give up Taiwan again ? Taiwan is Chinese territory and has nothing to do with US. Yanks should go back to America from Asia.
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Meengla
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No American here should be happy with this dire post of your's, including me, for nothing else than self survival! Just yesterday met my super MAGA brother in law who has to commute a long distance to work and he was complaining about having to fill gas at $4.09/gallon. Some other MAGA I met over the weekend were also complaining. Gas was $2.36/gallon before this war in my area.
I have feared it for a long time that eventually Israel was going to drag America down and it looks like it is succeeding. So sad but that's what happens when a country's political class gets hijacked by a foreign country's agents.
Viet
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ety
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If China decides to take over Taiwan by force someday, it would be foolhardy for Americans to get into war with China over Taiwan, basically there will be nothing US can do about it. Things are changing fast, now over 60% of Taiwanese are willing to discuss reunification with China. China may not have to fire a shot. By the way, US had never won a war in countries surrounding China since WW II.
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