Is Pakistan rising as a middle power?

[Muji.Iqbal]

Yes Pakistan have emerged as middle power, it was always destined to be one. But it needed to beat India in a war to be taken seriously as a hard power. Thanks to Sindoor we got exactly that.

Yes but lets make Pakistan a great power and not only a midde power.

 

[That_Guy]

Pakistan was always a middle power, but its position in that category was always up for debate.

However, I believe that debate is nearly settled for now.

Pakistan has shown itself to be relevant, regardless of context. Its geopolitical reach has only grown since the end of the US occupation of Afghanistan.

With a defense pact signed with Saudi Arabia, putting India in its place in May of 2025, and acting as a mediator between the US and Iran by getting both to agree to a ceasefire that has so far held relatively in place since its announcement, Pakistan has shown itself to be a tiger capable of dealing with dragons, and forcing parley.

It is one of the most important middle powers in the world, with a growing middle class and population, with nuclear weapons and a powerful military.

My prediction, Pakistan's role on the global stage will increase, as the middle east continues to fracture into competing Arab states, and South Asia continues to rise with Pakistan acting as a counter weight to India's increasing global importance.

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan has shown itself to be relevant, regardless of context. Its geopolitical reach has only grown since the end of the US occupation of Afghanistan.

I would just offer a slight rephrasing, it's never a case that even at its worst Pakistan was irrelevant, or that India can be irrelevant, as long as you exist and have a huge land mass and population talking about irrelevance is Indian coded language.

The difference is Pakistan is bold enough to always increase its
equities with risk, sometimes at cost.


The Indian side is always psychologically disturbed by this because they are meant to be much bigger and stronger but are extremely adverse to any risk and always look for low hanging fruit.


Even Pakistan's most ardent critics opine that Pakistan punches above its weight, but if you psychologically exist within walls of cowardice you will always be hostile to your neighbor who is more bold.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Pakistan was always a middle power, but its position in that category was always up for debate.

However, I believe that debate is nearly settled for now.

Pakistan has shown itself to be relevant, regardless of context. Its geopolitical reach has only grown since the end of the US occupation of Afghanistan.

With a defense pact signed with Saudi Arabia, putting India in its place in May of 2025, and acting as a mediator between the US and Iran by getting both to agree to a ceasefire that has so far held relatively in place since its announcement, Pakistan has shown itself to be a tiger capable of dealing with dragons, and forcing parley.

It is one of the most important middle powers in the world, with a growing middle class and population, with nuclear weapons and a powerful military.

My prediction, Pakistan's role on the global stage will increase, as the middle east continues to fracture into competing Arab states, and South Asia continues to rise with Pakistan acting as a counter weight to India's increasing global importance.

Yes but Pakistan needs to be much more than just to counter India for outsiders. We need to be ambitious on our own. We need to achieve glory and greatness for our own purposes.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Yes but lets make Pakistan a great power and not only a midde power.

Lets be realistic here. Pakistan aim was always to become middle power and to keep India at status of middle power. We got exactly that post Sindoor.

We ended India wishwaguru delulu and upgraded our status in the world at war.

 

[Waz]

It needs the economy and a proper democracy to match.....Other than that it's a big population with big weapons.

 

[That_Guy]

Yes but Pakistan needs to be much more than just to counter India for outsiders. We need to be ambitious on our own. We need to achieve glory and greatness for our own purposes.

One step at a time, Pakistan needs to consolidate its gains first, and get its economy back on track.

You want greatness, Pakistan needs to fix its problems first.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Lets be realistic here. Pakistan aim was always to become middle power and to keep India at status of middle power. We got exactly that post Sindoor.

We ended India wishwaguru delulu and upgraded our status in the world at war.

You are right, we are behind the world. Trapped in time. But we can still correct our situation. We have a fight to fight on Kashmir, and we need to improve our economy.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

One step at a time, Pakistan needs to consolidate its gains first, and get its economy back on track.

You want greatness, Pakistan needs to fix its problems first.

Correct, Sir. Look at Meiji Japan. It is possible for a non-Western society to industrialize and modernize.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Let me share my perspective.

Countries can be divided into the following types.

1. World superpower. A world superpower needs to surpass other countries in military, economy, politics, and influence. The United States is the only world superpower.

2. Potential superpower. A potential superpower is a country whose military, economy, politics, and influence are developing. China and Russia are potential superpowers.

3. Regional powers and regional countries. The concept of a regional power mainly refers to a country that is a military and economic power in its region, or a country that performs excellently in at least one of military or economy. This includes Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, Rwanda, Turkey, Singapore, etc. A regional country generally refers to a country with regional influence, and such countries usually have spheres of influence. This includes the UK, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Brazil, South Africa, India, etc. A country can be both a regional power and a regional country, such as the UK, France, Iran, and Turkey.

Pakistan has demonstrated military strength, and Pakistan belongs to regional powers. Pakistan is not a regional country because it does not have a sphere of influence. As Pakistan enters the Middle East to maintain peace, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia will become both regional powers and regional countries.

On the other hand, Pakistan's international influence is also increasing. Pakistan's international influence surpasses that of regional powers and regional countries.

 

[royalharris]

No, no, and no.

You'd only read something like this in a Japanese light novel.

in reality, military force is determined by a lot of factors, the biggest one being logistics.

We saw how the DPRK performed in Ukraine, and they got demolished.


1V1, Israel would demolish the DPRK.

With support, Israel would still demolish the DPRK.

It would not.

Your comment is either a joke, a troll, or you're comment is simply stupid.

The DPRK does not have the resources to win a war, if they did, they'd have taken the peninsula they currently live in. Now is currently the best time, since Trump would not interfere, and the South no longer has many patriot systems left.

But they don't, because RoK, which is nearly on par with Israel, would demolish the DPRK as well.

The issue on the Korean Peninsula is not an issue between North Korea and South Korea; it is an issue between China and the United States, involving the respective capabilities and intentions of China and the United States.

The essence of logistics is national strength. Behind the question of national strength are, respectively, the United States and China. If a neutral battlefield were located midway between Israel and North Korea, it might be in a Central Asian country.

To repeat the same point: North Korea could beat Israel so badly that it would be crying out to its ancestors for help.

Middle Eastern countries have been beaten into a state of fear by Israel. On the one hand, these countries lack strong fighting spirit and combat discipline; on the other hand, they lack truly powerful support. Israel is only capable of bullying Middle Eastern countries.

 

[Taimoor]

Learn to respect and honour your own citizens first, from Karachi to khunjerab, rest will fall in line.

 

[HAIDER]

Do you think ?

Live from Islamabad , first fix the economy and judicial system.

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[That_Guy]

Correct, Sir. Look at Meiji Japan. It is possible for a non-Western society to industrialize and modernize.

South Korea is a great example as well.

I do have to point out that Im not a fan of your wording. It implies that western and european nations are the default standard, even though historically it has been eastern nations that have been further ahead.

I know thats not what you mean, but it bothers me, because it ignores the advances that eastern nations have made to progress humanity.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

South Korea is a great example as well.

I do have to point out that Im not a fan of your wording. It implies that western and european nations are the default standard, even though historically it has been eastern nations that have been further ahead.

I know thats not what you mean, but it bothers me, because it ignores the advances that eastern nations have made to progress humanity.

Thats not what I meant. I meant in the past 200 years.

Eastern societies were far ahead of the West in the ancient and Medieval times.

Like Abbasids, Mughals, Ottoman, Qing China, Hindu dynastys in Southern India, etc.