Full Text of Controversial Imran Khan Cypher Released

[Xestan]

You do know the motion for the VoNC was submitted in the NA on 8 March 2022 by the MNA's.

Would you be kind enough to have a look and tell me the date of the demarche letter? Agr sharam kay maray aap na batana chahain to lemme know, to masla nhn...it was 7 March 2022.

Now this can be a coincidence, or connected, or something else. But it sure as heck does not "prove" several things as you had claimed.

Aisay proofs par to main sadqay jaoon.

The Opposition formally announced VoNC on 11th February, 2022.

PDM announces no-trust motion against PM Imran’s govt | The Express Tribune

Announcement made following a meeting of the multi-party alliance during a press conference in Islamabad

tribune.com.pk

Unless Americans went back in time to tell Pakistani opposition to file a no confidence motion for something that was going to happen a month later, your whole theory sounds fiction at best.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It is true US was involved via buying and bought Pakistani politicians and Military personnel to change democratically elected Khan Government of Pakistan. Sadly Pakistani liberals and so called analysts continue to discredit Khan would rather bite off their tongue than admit a foreigner country did this. These silly people miss this one very important factor it should have been people of PK through free elections to remove Khan if they were not happy with his Government and not Washington.

The question then is, Why now?

Who published it? Cui Bono...
The opposition in Pakistan... resentment towards military to bring back the previous set up or... ones who instigated it now putting their foot on the tail to make them do something...

Is it US now pressuring Pakistan to do its bidding... another "Do More" moment? A move to do something on foreign policy?

Who or what it might be to time it now is the question... the former premier was walked off the cliff by those who carried him along... to bring back the coterie of tried and failed back to power... what gives...

 

[VCheng]

You've made a vague statement, and don't point out what exactly it is you're referring to.

I was clearly referring to the cipher saga.

And your point is?

The point is that Pakistan has moved on from the IK era.

The difference between your thinking and mine; you think its normal and inevitable behavior by the establishment. I think the establishment needs to dragged through a literal meat grinder, until it learns to keep its hands to itself and learn its place.

The difference here is between idealism and realism. You may think that the establishment needs to be run through a meat grinder, but I know that there is no practical way to do that..

Further, it will be impossible to do that from abroad, which is where the majority of the social media noise originates from, while claiming widespread public support within Pakistan that never materializes.

Just how many more failed initiatives to protest for IK's release does one need as proof?

It will not. There is always an end.

Please carry on hoping and wishing for that tomorrow in Pakistan, while living life abroad.

 

[Olympus81]

Or some faction within a powerful organization is unhappy their turn won’t be coming anytime soon, hence let’s test the waters.

Has been done before. Can’t say it won’t happen again.

 

[PakAl]

The Generals created modern day Pakistan in 1977, and have ruled it ever since in a manner that they decide - totally illegally and outside of the Constitution.

The General's power structure is stable. The people are in a downward spiral.

The Generals have no reason to change. The people remain accepting of their fate, except the lucky few that can escape abroad.

And that's the way it is, like it or not.

Makes sense but another political reality is millions of people since 1977 have gone to foreign nations, made millions and now have a strong voice, they now want their foothold in Pakistan aswell as foreign nations, they have made connections in foreign nations, have their own interests, so they also want a big piece of cake.

 

[PakAl]

why start from here, why not start from 2018 ? how do you think IK came into power ? do you remember Jahangir Tareen and his "Jahaaz" which was hunting and buying candidates on behalf of establishment.

PDM did exactly what PTI did to them. The military had big issues with Nawaz Sharif, toppled twice in the 1990s, exiled, then 2013 government had issues, dawn leaks etc, he was finally removed to make way for a new face but soon disagreements happened with the new leader and we reached a point of no return.

 

[Goenitz]

The Generals created modern day Pakistan in 1977, and have ruled it ever since in a manner that they decide - totally illegally and outside of the Constitution.

The General's power structure is stable. The people are in a downward spiral.

I just know it is not stable. It had buffers and was cyclic in nature (army has been at the front foot and then the back foot). It should change according to precedence, in addition to the falling economy and unpopularity. Every declining power dies out fighting.

It has been stable, now in buffer and going towards instability.

Public, judges, journalists, junior generals, etc., acceptance (before) and incumbency (now) are the main guarantors of the current system.

Till a level is reached, where a nudge takes the system ti instability.

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[Olympus81]

PDM did exactly what PTI did to them. The military had big issues with Nawaz Sharif, toppled twice in the 1990s, exiled, then 2013 government had issues, dawn leaks etc, he was finally removed to make way for a new face but soon disagreements happened with the new leader and we reached a point of no return.

Your point is valid.

The culprit is ours one and truly.

One institution that overthrows politicians, subverts the constitution, does everything with total impunity.

 

[F.O.X]

PDM did exactly what PTI did to them. The military had big issues with Nawaz Sharif, toppled twice in the 1990s, exiled, then 2013 government had issues, dawn leaks etc, he was finally removed to make way for a new face but soon disagreements happened with the new leader and we reached a point of no return.

if only they were simple disagreements he could have been forgiven, IK single handily set fire to Pakistan's foreign policy & economy.

 

[PakAl]

Your point is valid.

The culprit is ours one and truly.

One institution that overthrows politicians, subverts the constitution, does everything with total impunity.

But we also were not happy with the politicians, people cursed PPP and Pmln rule. Today some toxic people have turned their guns towards the military, believe me i recently sat in their gatherings, the amount of hatred and propaganda they do is unacceptable. What is the difference between all these forces then, the Ppp/Pmln nexus, Pti and establishment. Let's not forget JUI Fazlur Rehman and Mahmood Khan Achakzai, they were part of PDM.

 

[F.O.X]

Your point is valid.

The culprit is ours one and truly.

One institution that overthrows politicians, subverts the constitution, does everything with total impunity.

Let me correct it for you .

One institution that overthrows politicians with the help of politicians, subverts the constitution with the help of politicians, does everything with total impunity again with help of politicians.

 

[Olympus81]

Let me correct it for you .

One institution that overthrows politicians with the help of politicians, subverts the constitution with the help of politicians, does everything with total impunity again with help of politicians.

And the institution being all powerful. Does it not have a moral compass to not play this game with the politicians.

Sir, the politicians are an opportunistic bunch and there is a parliament which is a forum for them to play their political games.

The establishment however does not. Their stepping into politics is a direct activation of the Article 6 clause, if Pakistan had a functioning judiciary.

 

[PakAl]

if only they were simple disagreements he could have been forgiven, IK single handily set fire to Pakistan's foreign policy & economy.

I dont think it was economy, more to do with internal security, policy, international relations. Even the current government is flopping, and Imran Khan government had to face covid and Russian war.

 

[Olympus81]

But we also were not happy with the politicians, people cursed PPP and Pmln rule. Today some toxic people have turned their guns towards the military, believe me i recently sat in their gatherings, the amount of hatred and propaganda they do is unacceptable. What is the difference between all these forces then, the Ppp/Pmln nexus, Pti and establishment. Let's not forget JUI Fazlur Rehman and Mahmood Khan Achakzai, they were part of PDM.

Bro, what do you propose political parties do?

I would personally hate PMLN, PPP for requesting US to sanction Pakistan, curse the Army Chief & institutions, Dawn Leaks, Memo gates. The PTI is somewhat in the same boat.

Look deeper, whats the underlying constant that forces politicians to do this.

This time as I mentioned above, as a result of overthrowing the previous government, sweets weren’t distributed but they came out and sang the anthem. A tacit message to the all powerful that enough of these games.

 

[F.O.X]

I dont think it was economy, more to do with internal security, policy, international relations. Even the current government is flopping, and Imran Khan government had to face covid and Russian war.

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While external challenges like COVID were real, PTI administration's internal fiscal choices heavily destabilized Pakistan’s economic foundation, and the Russia Ukraine war cannot be used as an excuse since Imran Khan was ousted almost immediately after it began.

The nominal GDP growth seen in 2021 and 2022 was an unsustainable, import heavy expansion that overheated the economy and drove total public debt up by 78%, skyrocketing from Rs. 24.95 trillion to Rs. 44.36 trillion. This borrowing spree was accompanied by a 50% devaluation of the rupee, which plunged from Rs. 123 to Rs. 183 against the US dollar, while energy circular debt doubled to over Rs. 2.5 trillion.

The definitive economic blow came in February 2022 when He introduced an unbudgeted fuel and electricity subsidy package that cost up to Rs. 300 billion monthly; this populist move directly violated Pakistan's agreement with the IMF, freezing the program, draining central bank reserves, and leaving the country on the absolute brink of default.