Bangladesh Air Force

[BananaRepublic]

You don't have a option, doing nothing and hoping for the best is suicide

As I said, successive governments since 1971 followed the following consensus on defence:

1. Well armed and trained BGB to thwart smuggling, people trafficking and ethnic cleansing.

2. Adequate navy to protect Bangladeshi waters from pirates and encroachers.

3. An army geared towards mobilising the masses for Guerrilla warfare against an invading army - similar to our independence.

That’s not doing nothing!!

It’s a strategy that had 50+ years of consensus.

BD suddenly starts buying random weapons - without articulating a defence strategy!

And the jamatis start chest thumping!

Whilst the economy is tanking!

If the economy isn’t fixed fast - you won’t need the Hinduvta bogeymen. Country will destroy itself from within!

 

[Master Chief]

You have hindutva over the border, burying your head in the sand won't help you

Already a million rohinhya were forced into Bangladesh and what was your response??????

You need to be prepared whether you like it not, even a simple understanding of history will show this

You are partly right, India is a very large state, so a few jets or anything else won't really change that balance

But remaining completely unarmed and undefended is the most moronic path to take when you have people either side of your country who hate you, your faith and your people


You need a healthy air force with a spear tip of Europfighters/J10s, JF17s would also be great as a workhorse that can support your spear tip, this will completely negate the threat from Burma

Bangladesh needs to heavily invest in A.D and drone's FPV drones In MASSIVE numbers
In today's world drone warfare is the future
Bangladesh needs effective A.D, Radars and strategy


Not doing the above is not a option in today's world and most importantly Bangladesh needs alliances with Multiple states
A hindutva India is not a ally in any shape or form

If your confused about anything just take a look at what the indians are doing and saying about their own bengali Muslim citizens

Truly I despair at the abject idiocy of a worryingly large proportion of South Asia's Muslim communities. I cannot believe that someone here thinks Bd having a strong air force is somehow "detrimental" or worse still, some sort of certifiable "jamaati agenda" that should be resisted. Absolute lunacy!

I recall the downing of the US F-15e in Iran recently. Iranian forumgoers were SCREAMING AND CRYING for ANY sort of functional air force to at least threaten US SAR missions. They cried for pages on the forum that massive C130s and SAR helis were lumbering around Iranian airspace in broad daylight, unchallenged. And the geniuses here tell us Bd doesn't need a competent Air Force because hostile aerial kinetic actions can never possibly take place in Bangladeshi airspace.

 

[hussain0216]

As I said, successive governments since 1971 followed the following consensus on defence:

1. Well armed and trained BGB to thwart smuggling, people trafficking and ethnic cleansing.

2. Adequate navy to protect Bangladeshi waters from pirates and encroachers.

3. An army geared towards mobilising the masses for Guerrilla warfare against an invading army - similar to our independence.

That’s not doing nothing!!

It’s a strategy that had 50+ years of consensus.

BD suddenly starts buying random weapons - without articulating a defence strategy!

And the jamatis start chest thumping!

Whilst the economy is tanking!

If the economy isn’t fixed fast - you won’t need the Hinduvta bogeymen. Country will destroy itself from within!

I understand all of that, and it's not a bad strategy
A good navy, concentrating on guerilla tactics etc etc

But you can't just sit back and hope that will be enough

The Burmese are a scum people, they have already targeted the rohinhya and have no good will towards Bangladeshi, the same goes for the Hindutva who are eager to target, kill and harm Indian Muslims, Bangladeshi and Pakistani


Just covering your eyes, and parroting some basic plan that you've used over the last 50 years isn't enough

You've got to plan better
That includes building a strong economy
It includes a diplomatic path where Bangladesh makes multiple alliances with Multiple states to obtain support at times of conflict, so you are not isolated

No one is saying buy 300 aircraft, although if your economy improves you should consider it

But you need a sufficient air force to try and support your ground troops and navy

Even a single squadron of Europfighters/J10, backed up by a couple of squadrons of JF17 block 3s will nullify any threat from Burma

We are in the age of drone warfare
FPV drones are effective and cheap
Pakistan-Turkey are coming up with solutions, China is a option
And Bangladesh should seek to set up work shops inside Bangladesh to produce a minimum of 100,000 FPV drones
Then get some higher end drones from Turkey or China for surveillance and targeting
Think about the capability to protect your borders and target hostiles, especially against Burma

A.D, anti ship missiles, etc
The lost goes on

Bangladesh doesn't need to break the bank if it doesn't want to BUT it needs something
It needs a better plan then trying to be friends with hindutva and Burman

 

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@Michael Corleone @LeonBlack08 @AbuShalehRumi @Avicenna

According to Air Chief, government is prioritising the acquisition of MRCA, Attack helicopter, MRSAM, Long range radars, Counter-UAS system, advanced UAVs.

 

[EgoKaempfer]

Question: If a BAF J-10C locks onto an Indian aircraft near the border (even accidentally during training), can India tell if it’s a BAF jet or a PLAAF jet operating under a data link? Now if Indian AF can't tell appart, what would be their reaction?

 

[Nimble]

Question: If a BAF J-10C locks onto an Indian aircraft near the border (even accidentally during training), can India tell if it’s a BAF jet or a PLAAF jet operating under a data link? Now if Indian AF can't tell appart, what would be their reaction?

Indians will only know that lock is done on their aircraft... fighter type or country of origin will be difficult to know unless it's visible to the eyes of Indian pilots....

 

[Afif]

Question: If a BAF J-10C locks onto an Indian aircraft near the border (even accidentally during training), can India tell if it’s a BAF jet or a PLAAF jet operating under a data link? Now if Indian AF can't tell appart, what would be their reaction?

That's not how training exercises work. Those are always declared in advanced.

Indians will only know that lock is done on their aircraft... fighter type or country of origin will be difficult to know unless it's visible to the eyes of Indian pilots....

If IAF Rafale actually detected PAF J10CE emission locking onto it, it probably would've survived.

Besides, we are likely buying Eurofighter anyway.

 

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@Michael Corleone @LeonBlack08 @AbuShalehRumi @Avicenna

According to Air Chief, government is prioritising the acquisition of MRCA, Attack helicopter, MRSAM, Long range radars, Counter-UAS system, advanced UAVs.

Likely all of it will be procured from Turkiye and included in this.

সোর্স: Türkiye Today https://share.google/JgBdM49gsM9emjHIr

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

I cannot believe that someone here thinks Bd having a strong air force is somehow "detrimental" or worse still, some sort of certifiable "jamaati agenda" that should be resisted. Absolute lunacy!

These are carefully planted hindutva Trojan horses to keep Bangladesh weak and unstable. If you read their cringe posts you will realize they're more hindutvadis than hindus and they're more genocidal towards Muslims than zionists.

 

[Al-Zakir]

Chest thumping and posturing by the Younus mob and Jamatis is pointless.

The question is whether Bangladesh is more or less safer than it was under BAL.

India-Bd relationship was like husband and wife under Hasina according to her own foreign minister Aagla dog face mobin.

Did India stop killing unarmed Bd famers at the boarder?

Bd will adopt aggressive foreign policy against cowmata. BD people rather die like a lion than live Ike a geedar. Days of cowmata appeasing is gone.

 

[BananaRepublic]

I understand all of that, and it's not a bad strategy
A good navy, concentrating on guerilla tactics etc etc

But you can't just sit back and hope that will be enough

The Burmese are a scum people, they have already targeted the rohinhya and have no good will towards Bangladeshi, the same goes for the Hindutva who are eager to target, kill and harm Indian Muslims, Bangladeshi and Pakistani


Just covering your eyes, and parroting some basic plan that you've used over the last 50 years isn't enough

You've got to plan better
That includes building a strong economy
It includes a diplomatic path where Bangladesh makes multiple alliances with Multiple states to obtain support at times of conflict, so you are not isolated

No one is saying buy 300 aircraft, although if your economy improves you should consider it

But you need a sufficient air force to try and support your ground troops and navy

Even a single squadron of Europfighters/J10, backed up by a couple of squadrons of JF17 block 3s will nullify any threat from Burma

We are in the age of drone warfare
FPV drones are effective and cheap
Pakistan-Turkey are coming up with solutions, China is a option
And Bangladesh should seek to set up work shops inside Bangladesh to produce a minimum of 100,000 FPV drones
Then get some higher end drones from Turkey or China for surveillance and targeting
Think about the capability to protect your borders and target hostiles, especially against Burma

A.D, anti ship missiles, etc
The lost goes on

Bangladesh doesn't need to break the bank if it doesn't want to BUT it needs something
It needs a better plan then trying to be friends with hindutva and Burman

There’s absolutely no plausible reason for either India or Burma to invade BD.

Hence 50+ year old defence strategy based on guerrilla warfare is sufficient.

You have not given any convincing evidence to support your assertion.

Arming based on bravado will not only damage the economy but also deprive the navy and BGB.

It’s very similar to the way the U.K. has been spending its massive defence budget. Building mega aircraft carriers and maintaining faraway bases - when it cannot even protect its borders and submarine cables.

Hasina invested heavily in the reformed BGB, army and especially navy - to address actual threats.

BNP has been handed a procurement list by a junta.

At least set out a coherent defence strategy before spending scarce resources.

That’s all I am asking!

And I think @MNZGamerX has also asked for the same.

That request should not trigger any sane person into vitriol.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Truly I despair at the abject idiocy of a worryingly large proportion of South Asia's Muslim communities. I cannot believe that someone here thinks Bd having a strong air force is somehow "detrimental" or worse still, some sort of certifiable "jamaati agenda" that should be resisted. Absolute lunacy!

I recall the downing of the US F-15e in Iran recently. Iranian forumgoers were SCREAMING AND CRYING for ANY sort of functional air force to at least threaten US SAR missions. They cried for pages on the forum that massive C130s and SAR helis were lumbering around Iranian airspace in broad daylight, unchallenged. And the geniuses here tell us Bd doesn't need a competent Air Force because hostile aerial kinetic actions can never possibly take place in Bangladeshi airspace.

This "Pacifism" or the defeatist mentality you see in these so called liberal Muslims of South Asia, is not by accident. This is by design to turn us into docile and submissive puppets. This was achieved through decades of narrative control i.e. propaganda by the academia and liberal cultural establishment, and through agents whose real loyalty lies elsewhere.

Completely agree with the Iran take. I have seen that too and agree that if Iran had a decent air force, the Zionists wouldn't have been able to roam the skies unchallenged. In fact, the dynamics of the entire warfare would have changed. US would have thought twice before launching that first strike.

For Bangladesh - the argument is often that we don't have strategic depth. True - but same goes for many other countries with active military threat from more militarily armed neighbors - South Korea, Taiwan etc.

Another argument is we don't have mountains to build underground hangers. Even that problem can be addressed with the combination of hardened aircraft hangers using Ultra High Performance Concrete (UHPC) and use of local foliage to hide their signature and make them difficult to spot. It won't make them invincible, but will give reasonable protection.

For instance - Swedes built the Gripen and made it capable of taking off from roads through short take off and landing. They adapted to the bigger Russian threat. The plan was to hide their fighters in the dense Nordic forests and launch attack using everyday roads as runway, in case the bases are destroyed by enemy. Its not an invincible strategy, but it gives their fighters the best chance possible.

Point is - you can always find a way to protect your fighter jets, if you really want to field an air force. The key point is intent.

And that intent has been destroyed through foreign propaganda of agents whose loyalty lies elsewhere other than Bangladesh.

 

[LeonBlack08]

There’s absolutely no plausible reason for either India or Burma to invade BD.

Hence 50+ year old defence strategy based on guerrilla warfare is sufficient.

You have not given any convincing evidence to support your assertion.

Arming based on bravado will not only damage the economy but also deprive the navy and BGB.

It’s very similar to the way the U.K. has been spending its massive defence budget. Building mega aircraft carriers and maintaining faraway bases - when it cannot even protect its borders and submarine cables.

Hasina invested heavily in the reformed BGB, army and especially navy - to address actual threats.

BNP has been handed a procurement list by a junta.

At least set out a coherent defence strategy before spending scarce resources.

That’s all I am asking!

And I think @MNZGamerX has also asked for the same.

That request should not trigger any sane person into vitriol.

If Hasina was so strategic, why did Hasina go for the poorly thought out expensive Mig 29 purchase then? She placed order for 16. Not only that, they came handicapped without armament package, lacking features that would allow it to act as effective deterrent. In essence it was toothless.

Khaleda Zia wisely blocked the second batch. These Migs had been immense resource drag for Bangladesh for last 3 decades. They are bloody expensive to operate considering the very limited value they now add.

Since her tactic was "guerrilla focused" - Why didn't she buy a SINGLE mid to long range SAMs in the 15 years she was in power? They would have been cheaper than fighters. She just bought short range FM 90 good enough for low flying aircraft but can't do anything against high altitude targets, be it Indian or Burmese. What's the rationale behind this lack of action in 15+ years? I will save you the trouble - Indian intervention.

How do you intend to defend your naval assets without an air force and air defense? Have you seen what happened to Iranian navy's primary fleet? Just got picked off at will from air with almost no resistance.

Bangladesh relying solely on guerilla warfare historically is not because Bangladesh didn't need an air force, rather a combination of different factors. One was political - Ziaur Rahman completely broke the backbone of the air force because of the 1977 air force coup attempt. The other factor has always been economic. We were always strapped for resources. And finally - Indian interference blocking any meaningful defence acquisition.

If Bangladesh under Hasina was really strategic about "guerilla" or asymmetric warfare as you claim - Bangladesh would already have a decent multi layered Air Defence, a domestic missile and drone production facility in place.

The reason we don't have any of those in large scale is solely because Indian interference through "Bangladeshi" agents whose loyalty does not lie with Bangladesh.

 

[LeonBlack08]

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@Michael Corleone @LeonBlack08 @AbuShalehRumi @Avicenna

According to Air Chief, government is prioritising the acquisition of MRCA, Attack helicopter, MRSAM, Long range radars, Counter-UAS system, advanced UAVs.

Good to see that he understands the modern battlefield has changed because of AI and tech. And the fact that eventually the air force will need to evolve into Air and Space force. Forward looking and understands the emerging risk, that's very positive.