Bangladesh Air Force

[BananaRepublic]

@MNZGamerX @BananaRepublic

Have you both looked at the list of items in the procurement list? It's not just the jets, its everything from radar infrastructure to short range (MANPADS) and medium range SAMs to drones.

Why are you both obsessing over just the jets?

Be it EFT or JF 17 or J10, you need jets to act as deterrent. Iran war clearly showed that missiles alone can only take you so far. You need jets to protect airspace in addition to AD and prevent enemies from freely roaming in your territory and bombing at will. Did you know that even Iran with its 1970s jets launched attacks in UAE along with the drones?

And 10-16 jets sounds small, and it is small. But considering the position BAF is in, it is a start. You don't build a modern air force overnight. Are we expecting Bangladesh to buy 600 jets to compete with India?

Also - we are not only talking about India here. We have another potential threat to our south who are on par with us in terms of military strength. Like India, they also have a hatred for Muslim Bengalis. Had we been militarily capable, we could have prevented the entire Rohingya debacle.

BAF being limited to search and rescue ops is the most defeatist statement I have heard. But this is nothing new. This has been propagated by BAL since the independence.

If smaller countries should refrain from building an air force, why is Taiwan bothering to arm itself to the teeth. Even with US support, it is puny in front of China.

The objective is not to compete or even win the war against a superior power. Rather to make the victory very expensive for the aggressor to the extent the cost-benefit ratio no longer justifies an invasion.

Let's get back to topic. If you both want to discuss this further, I can move these conversations to an appropriate thread.

Why would an enemy roam Bangladeshi sky?

Have we got deep underground missile cities or nuclear facilities hidden in mountains?

Why would either India or Burma bother with fighter jets when they can shoot anything they want from their Borders.

Unless you have “iron dome” tech - there’s no protection from such attacks.

But even “iron dome” is proving its limitation.

In summary, India would just kill Bangladesh economically through a naval blockade.

And Burma would just bomb population centres and economic hubs indiscriminately.

So, spending money on all those weapons is just chest thumping of the most expensive kind.

For some reason - you guys need the weapons to satisfy your inferiority complex.

Whereas people like me are proud that we are the only Muslim country not bordered by another Muslim country.

We are one of the few homogeneous ethno states.

Lots of countries are being held together through military coercion - some might not survive in their current form into the 2050s - despite their chest thumping military.

Yes!

Our geography and size means we cannot be a military power.

But the makeup and history makes us resilient to ethnic warfare and outside meddling.

Unlike most of our neighbours - we have the capacity to be a peaceful country.

We should be grateful for that!

 

[LeonBlack08]

Why would an enemy roam Bangladeshi sky?

Have we got deep underground missile cities or nuclear facilities hidden in mountains?

Why would either India or Burma bother with fighter jets when they can shoot anything they want from their Borders.

Unless you have “iron dome” tech - there’s no protection from such attacks.

But even “iron dome” is proving its limitation.

In summary, India would just kill Bangladesh economically through a naval blockade.

And Burma would just bomb population centres and economic hubs indiscriminately.

So, spending money on all those weapons is just chest thumping of the most expensive kind.

For some reason - you guys need the weapons to satisfy your inferiority complex.

Whereas people like me are proud that we are the only Muslim country not bordered by another Muslim country.

We are one of the few homogeneous ethno states.

Lots of countries are being held together through military coercion - some might not survive in their current form into the 2050s - despite their chest thumping military.

Yes!

Our geography and size means we cannot be a military power.

But the makeup and history makes us resilient to ethnic warfare and outside meddling.

Unlike most of our neighbours - we have the capacity to be a peaceful country.

We should be grateful for that!

I would say keep living in your La La Land. But I know you are not deluded. You are just a Bhakt in disguise of "proud Muslim Bengali". You are spouting exactly what aligns with your agenda.

Let's disband the military altogether since nobody is going to harm us. Why waste 2 billion dollars annually in pay and upkeep?

Just so you know, your brethren in India fired at BGB troops just yesterday, completely unprovoked. Let your imagination run wild if there was no Bangladesh military to protect our territory.

 

[BananaRepublic]

UAE actively launched attacks into Iran as well. It became target of Iran because of geographic proximity, but it also was able to intercept a ton of missiles and drones precisely because it had armed itself to teeth.

You are proposing Bangladesh to turn it's air force to be confined to search and rescue ops. This is not a new concept. Has been floated by India and it's BAL slaves since the independence.

How do you intend to defend Bangladesh if Myanmar launches an invasion tomorrow to annex Chittagong? Do you have any response to their JF 17 and SU 30s?

How do you intend to defend your economic zones with rescue helicopters? Please do tell.

This is not just foolishness, but intentionally lobbying for an outright sabotage of Bangladesh's national security. In other words - you are acting very much like a traitor.

Your buddy calls me a “Kafir” and you call me a “traitor”!

But then you cry like a little girl when I refer to Jamatis as razakars.

Anyway, as for your fantasy of Burma invading Chittagong - when the “mighty” US army cannot hold onto territories of deeply divided nations - its fantasy to believe Burma can hold onto BD land.

FFS! Burma cannot even hold onto its own territories.

I am not arguing against Bangladesh having a defensive capability.

Just that - it’s a folly to include an “airforce”.

Bangladesh’s defence strategy to date - under both BNP and BAL - has been:

1. Strong border force to thwart narcotics smuggling, people trafficking and terrorism.

2. Adequate naval force to thwart piracy and exploitation of our maritime assets.

3. Military capable of organising a guerrilla force to resist an invasion.

That’s not a cowardly or treacherous defence strategy.

It’s a strategy based on reality!

 

[BananaRepublic]

I would say keep living in your La La Land. But I know you are not deluded. You are just a Bhakt in disguise of "proud Muslim Bengali". You are spouting exactly what aligns with your agenda.

Let's disband the military altogether since nobody is going to harm us. Why waste 2 billion dollars annually in pay and upkeep?

Just so you know, your brethren in India fired at BGB troops just yesterday, completely unprovoked. Let your imagination run wild if there was no Bangladesh military to protect our territory.

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Now you are crying India firing at BGB.

Do you think that’s going to stop by chest thumping, buying fighter jets and drawing maps of “Greater Bangladesh”?

Can you give example of arming to teeth against India working?

Has that worked for any of India’s enemies?

 

[LeonBlack08]

Your buddy calls me a “Kafir” and you call me a “traitor”!

But then you cry like a little girl when I refer to Jamatis as razakars.

Anyway, as for your fantasy of Burma invading Chittagong - when the “mighty” US army cannot hold onto territories of deeply divided nations - its fantasy to believe Burma can hold onto BD land.

FFS! Burma cannot even hold onto its own territories.

I am not arguing against Bangladesh having a defensive capability.

Just that - it’s a folly to include an “airforce”.

Bangladesh’s defence strategy to date - under both BNP and BAL - has been:

1. Strong border force to thwart narcotics smuggling, people trafficking and terrorism.

2. Adequate naval force to thwart piracy and exploitation of our maritime assets.

3. Military capable of organising a guerrilla force to resist an invasion.

That’s not a cowardly or treacherous defence strategy.

It’s a strategy based on reality!

If you talk like a traitor, you will be called one. No ifs and buts.

The person who called you kaafir is not my buddy and I gave him points for that. Cry somewhere else.

Not going to respond to your trash of a post. No time for nonsense.

 

[BananaRepublic]

If you talk like a traitor, you will be called one. No ifs and buts.

The person who called you kaafir is not my buddy and I gave him points for that. Cry somewhere else.

Not going to respond to your trash of a post. No time for nonsense.

And if you are a jamati razakar - you’ll be called one! No iffs or buts!

Now go and cry me a river.

I have no time for engaging a Walter Mitty character!

 

[LeonBlack08]

And if you are a jamati razakar - you’ll be called one! No iffs or buts!

Now go and cry me a river.

I have no time for engaging a Walter Mitty character!

Call me whatever you want. Couldn't care less.

BD will strengthen its defence In Sha Allah. You and your Hindutva brethren will keep on barking.

 

[MNZGamerX]

Have you both looked at the list of items in the procurement list? It's not just the jets, its everything from radar infrastructure to short range (MANPADS) and medium range SAMs to drones.

My point was much more than just about procurements and about a defense strategy and planning and whether we have one or not or whether someone else is devising it for us. I think we are just putting a lot of trust in external powers who have their own agenda while we are not sure what we are doing and have competing interests which will conflict in future. There is also absolutely no point comparing our situation with Iran which has a completely different geography, size, terrain and defense capability ... For us this is more than just about defense and has a lot to do with geopolitics. My worry is that we are being led by the nose into a situation we do not fully comprehend or have control over. Our thinking is also at least 15 years behind the times.

 

[LeonBlack08]

My point was much more than just about procurements and about a defense strategy and planning and whether we have one or not or whether someone else is devising it for us. I think we are just putting a lot of trust in external powers who have their own agenda while we are not sure what we are doing and have competing interests which will conflict in future. There is also absolutely no point comparing our situation with Iran which has a completely different geography, size, terrain and defense capability ... For us this is more than just about defense and has a lot to do with geopolitics. My worry is that we are being led by the nose into a situation we do not fully comprehend or have control over. Our thinking is also at least 15 years behind the times.

That I completely agree with. Our procurement often has been led by corruption and/or external influence as opposed to the correct equipment for our defence needs. The current list does seem to contain items we do really need ASAP, like the short and mid range SAMs. Hopefully the BNP govt and the military leadership will take the correct step.

 

[MNZGamerX]

Our procurement often has been led by corruption and/or external influence as opposed to the correct equipment for our defence needs.

Now this might be controversial but another worry or concern is that the BNP has effectively adopted the defense policy of the Interim Government and which was supported by the Jamaat-e-Islami. Is the BNP doing this simply to prevent a regime change move and also to steal Jamaat's thunder or is there some serious thinking behind what we are doing? There is also a lot of opportunity for corruption but that is not unusual for Bangladesh. If we are really serious about defense then special outlays will not be enough and we would need to double our defense budget and work on creating a military industrial base like Turkey and Pakistan. There is a lot for Bangladesh to consider and all this needs a defense strategy and planning. I just hope the BNP is not doing this simply for political survival and to please external powers which would be distortive of an independent defense strategy and planning.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Now this might be controversial but another worry or concern is that the BNP has effectively adopted the defense policy of the Interim Government and which was supported by the Jamaat-e-Islami. Is the BNP doing this simply to prevent a regime change move and also to steal Jamaat's thunder or is there some serious thinking behind what we are doing? There is also a lot of opportunity for corruption but that is not unusual for Bangladesh. If we are really serious about defense then special outlays will not be enough and we would need to double our defense budget and work on creating a military industrial base like Turkey and Pakistan. There is a lot for Bangladesh to consider and all this needs a defense strategy and planning. I just hope the BNP is not doing this simply for political survival and to please external powers which would be distortive of an independent defense strategy and planning.

Chest thumping and posturing by the Younus mob and Jamatis is pointless.

The question is whether Bangladesh is more or less safer than it was under BAL.

I will measure that by the following metrics:

1. Number of shootings at BGB
2. Number of Indian Muslims pushed into BD
3. Number of terrorist acts on BD soil
4. Is Bangladesh getting more or less water from India
5. Number of Bangladeshi square meters of land occupied by India / Burma / Separatists / Hegamons
6. Is Bangladesh able to make decisions independently on procurement

Would love to hear your objective measure of success on this.

Talking to the Jamati mobs here is akin to hitting the ass of a donkey!

Rational debate is impossible!!

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

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[hussain0216]

Chest thumping and posturing by the Younus mob and Jamatis is pointless.

The question is whether Bangladesh is more or less safer than it was under BAL.

I will measure that by the following metrics:

1. Number of shootings at BGB
2. Number of Indian Muslims pushed into BD
3. Number of terrorist acts on BD soil
4. Is Bangladesh getting more or less water from India
5. Number of Bangladeshi square meters of land occupied by India / Burma / Separatists / Hegamons
6. Is Bangladesh able to make decisions independently on procurement

Would love to hear your objective measure of success on this.

Talking to the Jamati mobs here is akin to hitting the ass of a donkey!

Rational debate is impossible!!

You have hindutva over the border, burying your head in the sand won't help you

Already a million rohinhya were forced into Bangladesh and what was your response??????

You need to be prepared whether you like it not, even a simple understanding of history will show this

You are partly right, India is a very large state, so a few jets or anything else won't really change that balance

But remaining completely unarmed and undefended is the most moronic path to take when you have people either side of your country who hate you, your faith and your people


You need a healthy air force with a spear tip of Europfighters/J10s, JF17s would also be great as a workhorse that can support your spear tip, this will completely negate the threat from Burma

Bangladesh needs to heavily invest in A.D and drone's FPV drones In MASSIVE numbers
In today's world drone warfare is the future
Bangladesh needs effective A.D, Radars and strategy


Not doing the above is not a option in today's world and most importantly Bangladesh needs alliances with Multiple states
A hindutva India is not a ally in any shape or form

If your confused about anything just take a look at what the indians are doing and saying about their own bengali Muslim citizens

 

[BananaRepublic]

You have hindutva over the border, burying your head in the sand won't help you

Already a million rohinhya were forced into Bangladesh and what was your response??????

You need to be prepared whether you like it not, even a simple understanding of history will show this

You are partly right, India is a very large state, so a few jets or anything else won't really change that balance

But remaining completely unarmed and undefended is the most moronic path to take when you have people either side of your country who hate you, your faith and your people


You need a healthy air force with a spear tip of Europfighters/J10s, JF17s would also be great as a workhorse that can support your spear tip, this will completely negate the threat from Burma

Bangladesh needs to heavily invest in A.D and drone's FPV drones In MASSIVE numbers
In today's world drone warfare is the future
Bangladesh needs effective A.D, Radars and strategy


Not doing the above is not a option in today's world and most importantly Bangladesh needs alliances with Multiple states
A hindutva India is not a ally in any shape or form

If your confused about anything just take a look at what the indians are doing and saying about their own bengali Muslim citizens

It’s absolutely hyperbolic to think that India is going to invade Bangladesh.

Is there a danger of India pushing Bengali Muslims into BD - YES! The answer to that is not a token airforce costing billions - but good neighbourly relations.

Hinduvta is many things - but they have no history of foreign invasions. Which is why Hinduism didn’t spread far.

Not because they aren’t nasty but because they have no stomach for wars.

Even the so called “Maratha empire” was nothing more than a gang of dacoits.

So, no amount of hyperbolic scaremongering is going to change 3000+ years of history.

Jamatis want to use Hinduvta as the scapegoats for gaining popularity in Bangladesh.

Failed spectacularly in the recent elections.

And if BNP uses scarce resources to buy useless weapons - the starving masses will deal with them.

 

[hussain0216]

It’s absolutely hyperbolic to think that India is going to invade Bangladesh.

Is there a danger of India pushing Bengali Muslims into BD - YES! The answer to that is not a token airforce costing billions - but good neighbourly relations.

Hinduvta is many things - but they have no history of foreign invasions. Which is why Hinduism didn’t spread far.

Not because they aren’t nasty but because they have no stomach for wars.

Even the so called “Maratha empire” was nothing more than a gang of dacoits.

So, no amount of hyperbolic scaremongering is going to change 3000+ years of history.

Jamatis want to use Hinduvta as the scapegoats for gaining popularity in Bangladesh.

Failed spectacularly in the recent elections.

And if BNP uses scarce resources to buy useless weapons - the starving masses will deal with them.

The hindutva have no history of foreign invasions because they were never able to and others like mughals, Delhi sultanate, afghans, Tamerlane, British etc kept invading them and keeping a big stick aimed at their heads and asses

Not because of some lack of desire to conquer and rape

If anything the hindutva have a massive chip on their shoulders after a thousand years of humiliation and they seek to carry out their rape and blood lust against Indian Muslims and the like of you

Every state has to be balanced, is food security, education, health care more important then war and conflict

Of course it is, in a perfect world we would not need weapons
But we don't live in a perfect world we live in a world with Zionists, hindutva, barely concealed white supremacists of the west, Burmese etc etc

Being a liberal cuck, some sort of irreligious pussey isn't going to save you from the wolves at the door

Old school Islamic fire and brimstone for our enemies is needed to take on the extremists


Whether you like it or not, Bangladesh needs to prepare,
It can start slowly, but eventually it needs to expand its economy so it can fund its defense and expand its military to protect against the scum around you

You don't have a option, doing nothing and hoping for the best is suicide